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I don't understand this development. In Germany, we've basically got full employment in the IT sector. Why would anyone waste their time with this? Just apply f

I don't understand this development. In Germany, we've basically got full employment in the IT sector. Why would anyone waste their time with this? Just apply for the Job next door. As an employer, hiring someone new is always a leap of faith. Might work out, might not. If it doesn't, dont feel bad to fire people again.

ccozan 8y ago
"In Germany, we've basically got full employment in the IT sector." I can only confirm this. I used to be a freelancer and I got almost daily offers per email and phone. In order to stop I ask them a very hi price per hour ( 90-100 euros ) and to my very surprise yesterday the guy said, "that's fine, when do we start?". I backed up a bit and after some discussion he told me that they really could not find anyone. There is really no IT people in Germany without job, so the only way to get work do is to turn to freelancers and offer a good rate.
- majewsky 8y ago
  > very hi price per hour ( 90-100 euros ) Contrary to what you seem to expect, that price is a steal. A more realistic rate for contractors doing basic IT work (like configuring DB backups) is 400-800 euros per hour.
  - opencl 8y ago
    Please tell me where I can find these jobs that will pay six figures a year for two hours a week of basic IT work. This is more than an order of magnitude higher than anyone I know makes.
    - majewsky 8y ago
      Oh wait, sorry. I misread "per hour" as "per day". The original figure seems okay then.
- jon_richards 8y ago
  You have a bit of the opposite problem in America. The market is flooded with applicants. The real issue is that many of them are woefully underqualified (see the fizzbuzz debate). It's a constant struggle to find a system that filters these people out without insulting the people you are trying to hire in the first place.
  - zerr 8y ago
    Well, the market is also flooded with 50-60K jobs in not so "hot" places but nobody applies.
eksemplar 8y ago
In Denmark we put a job offer out on the various job banks, receive the applicants, go through them in the hiring team, starring them 1-5 and we call the best 5 candidates in for a 30-60 minute interview. Mainly it’s just a talk to see what personality is the best fit. Sometimes we do a personality test, but only for people who will do any form of project management. We’ve never done a technical test or had anyone program for us, I know some companies do it for juniors that are fresh out of school, but otherwise it’s faily uncommon. That’s it really. I’ve hired around 20 developers like this over the years, none have failed me. One junior wasn’t really worth his salt at first, but he learned quickly. When I read about these American hiring practices I wonder why anyone would want to work there. I wonder if it’s because a lot of American developers are autodidact? I mean, I’ve never interviewed someone who wasn’t educated in some form of CS, academy level and up.
- walshemj 8y ago
  That's just a bit elitist :-)
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ccozan 8y ago

"In Germany, we've basically got full employment in the IT sector." I can only confirm this. I used to be a freelancer and I got almost daily offers per email and phone. In order to stop I ask them a very hi price per hour ( 90-100 euros ) and to my very surprise yesterday the guy said, "that's fine, when do we start?". I backed up a bit and after some discussion he told me that they really could not find anyone. There is really no IT people in Germany without job, so the only way to get work do is to turn to freelancers and offer a good rate.

majewsky 8y ago
> very hi price per hour ( 90-100 euros ) Contrary to what you seem to expect, that price is a steal. A more realistic rate for contractors doing basic IT work (like configuring DB backups) is 400-800 euros per hour.
- opencl 8y ago
  Please tell me where I can find these jobs that will pay six figures a year for two hours a week of basic IT work. This is more than an order of magnitude higher than anyone I know makes.
  - majewsky 8y ago
    Oh wait, sorry. I misread "per hour" as "per day". The original figure seems okay then.
jon_richards 8y ago
You have a bit of the opposite problem in America. The market is flooded with applicants. The real issue is that many of them are woefully underqualified (see the fizzbuzz debate). It's a constant struggle to find a system that filters these people out without insulting the people you are trying to hire in the first place.
- zerr 8y ago
  Well, the market is also flooded with 50-60K jobs in not so "hot" places but nobody applies.

eksemplar 8y ago

In Denmark we put a job offer out on the various job banks, receive the applicants, go through them in the hiring team, starring them 1-5 and we call the best 5 candidates in for a 30-60 minute interview. Mainly it’s just a talk to see what personality is the best fit. Sometimes we do a personality test, but only for people who will do any form of project management. We’ve never done a technical test or had anyone program for us, I know some companies do it for juniors that are fresh out of school, but otherwise it’s faily uncommon. That’s it really. I’ve hired around 20 developers like this over the years, none have failed me. One junior wasn’t really worth his salt at first, but he learned quickly. When I read about these American hiring practices I wonder why anyone would want to work there. I wonder if it’s because a lot of American developers are autodidact? I mean, I’ve never interviewed someone who wasn’t educated in some form of CS, academy level and up.

walshemj 8y ago
That's just a bit elitist :-)
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