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I'm waiting for recruiting doctors like that. Oh, you are a surgeon with 17 years of experience? Cool. How about you make a surgery at home, record it, and send

I'm waiting for recruiting doctors like that. Oh, you are a surgeon with 17 years of experience? Cool. How about you make a surgery at home, record it, and send us a video? More pathetic are only companies which have only one question at the beginning (without any further contact) "how much do you want to earn" and after that there is no negotiation. Sometimes I feel like I'm drowning in an endless sea of candidates. Oh, wait, no, the same companies publish the same job ads over and over for years. So maybe not.

dagw 8y ago
I'm waiting for recruiting doctors like that. Would you want to work in a world where all programmers have to be trained, licensed and regulated with the same rigor as surgeons? Surely the fact that programming is one of the few 'white collar' jobs where someone with no education and no relevant work experience can get hired based purely on the fact that they've taught themselves the necessary skills and can do the job is a net good thing.
- LandR 8y ago
  > Would you want to work in a world where all programmers have to be trained, licensed and regulated with the same rigor as surgeons? Uh, yes... There are too many terrible developers out there.
  - collyw 8y ago
    Agreed.
  - CamperBob2 8y ago
    So you either use no commercial software at all, or you're happy paying a hundred times what you paid for it, and doing so in return for the privilege of running 1980s-era applications in 2018.
  - natalyarostova 8y ago
    The ability to build a top tier career from self-teaching is remarkable. It would be such a tragedy if this was stripped and replaced with a signalling based equilibrium run and/or structured by the government :(
    - CamperBob2 8y ago
      Very true. These people literally don't know what they're talking about, or what they're asking for. They've thought their plan through about five seconds into the future. Either that, or they're blatant featherbedders who aren't bothering to disclose their interests. In neither case do they belong on this site.
  - setquk 8y ago
    Yes exactly that. The problem is that anyone can stitch a leg back on. We need people who can stitch the leg back on and the patient not die 3 months later or the leg fall off again. If you look at other engineering disciplines there are formal structured approaches to education and testing leading to chartered engineers etc. We could really do with the same. At the moment we have certifications which merely prove that the individual can pass an exam. I can routinely get near 100% on these sorts of test without knowing the subject or having any experience.
- pleasecalllater 8y ago
  I want to live in a world when we have normal recruitment process for programmers. I have about 17 years of experience. And really my university grades are not important (yes, some companies want to see that). In all places where I worked I knew databases much more than all other people together, I organized training for them etc. Despite my database-oriented CV, I'm always asked basic database questions usually asked by someone who doesn't understand them, and then doesn't understand my answers. I also got some stupid IQ tests with multiple good answers (however exactly one was in the key). I can talk about bad recruitment processes for hours. I just want to meet competent recruiters, and managers - just like they want to find a competent candidate.
- commandlinefan 8y ago
  > where all programmers have to be trained, licensed and regulated with the same rigor as surgeons? Yes. Please, God, yes.

dagw 8y ago

I'm waiting for recruiting doctors like that. Would you want to work in a world where all programmers have to be trained, licensed and regulated with the same rigor as surgeons? Surely the fact that programming is one of the few 'white collar' jobs where someone with no education and no relevant work experience can get hired based purely on the fact that they've taught themselves the necessary skills and can do the job is a net good thing.

LandR 8y ago
> Would you want to work in a world where all programmers have to be trained, licensed and regulated with the same rigor as surgeons? Uh, yes... There are too many terrible developers out there.
- collyw 8y ago
  Agreed.
- CamperBob2 8y ago
  So you either use no commercial software at all, or you're happy paying a hundred times what you paid for it, and doing so in return for the privilege of running 1980s-era applications in 2018.
- natalyarostova 8y ago
  The ability to build a top tier career from self-teaching is remarkable. It would be such a tragedy if this was stripped and replaced with a signalling based equilibrium run and/or structured by the government :(
  - CamperBob2 8y ago
    Very true. These people literally don't know what they're talking about, or what they're asking for. They've thought their plan through about five seconds into the future. Either that, or they're blatant featherbedders who aren't bothering to disclose their interests. In neither case do they belong on this site.
- setquk 8y ago
  Yes exactly that. The problem is that anyone can stitch a leg back on. We need people who can stitch the leg back on and the patient not die 3 months later or the leg fall off again. If you look at other engineering disciplines there are formal structured approaches to education and testing leading to chartered engineers etc. We could really do with the same. At the moment we have certifications which merely prove that the individual can pass an exam. I can routinely get near 100% on these sorts of test without knowing the subject or having any experience.
pleasecalllater 8y ago
I want to live in a world when we have normal recruitment process for programmers. I have about 17 years of experience. And really my university grades are not important (yes, some companies want to see that). In all places where I worked I knew databases much more than all other people together, I organized training for them etc. Despite my database-oriented CV, I'm always asked basic database questions usually asked by someone who doesn't understand them, and then doesn't understand my answers. I also got some stupid IQ tests with multiple good answers (however exactly one was in the key). I can talk about bad recruitment processes for hours. I just want to meet competent recruiters, and managers - just like they want to find a competent candidate.
commandlinefan 8y ago
> where all programmers have to be trained, licensed and regulated with the same rigor as surgeons? Yes. Please, God, yes.