Completely agree! Both PHP and VB share low barriers of entry. That make them novice friendly, but in the end it encourages practices that everybody else have

Completely agree! Both PHP and VB share low barriers of entry. That make them novice friendly, but in the end it encourages practices that everybody else have agreed to call bad habits. By example, copy & paste. In most languages if you pick a random forum and ask "how do I do X?", you will receive answers that range from "RTFM" to some cryptic link to a Fine Manual to Read. You will be forced by the elders to conceptualize what you want to do, and then learn how does it work. On the other hand, that same request in the PHP and VB forums will get half a dozen of "here is it, dude" responses... including the one form the reading challenged idiot who answered how to do Y instead. In the mind of the newbie, then, it becomes perfectly acceptable to equate programming to a look up table where there is some arcane incantation that corresponds to every problem. Not to say that there is no professional people doing quality work in either language. But dealing with the noise in the community is the price you have to pay.