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Russian jets can take off from an airstrip full of debris. American jets need a shiny aircraft carrier and a coin can mess them up.

crispyporkbites 8y ago
What
dloose 8y ago
This doesn't sound right. The USAF is the largest air force in the world and, as far as I know, it has exactly 0 air craft carriers. I'm sure a well-placed coin could mess up a lot of machines. Can you back up anything you said with evidence?
- partycoder 8y ago
  I mentioned the jets, not air force. Many branches of the American armed forces operate jets. Allied countries also operate American jets, even the F-35. The F-35 has many variants, and can fulfill many roles.
  - dloose 8y ago
    Hmm... here's what you said: > American jets need a shiny aircraft carrier and a coin can mess them up Now it sounds like you're trying to claim that you weren't including American Air Force jets in the term "American jets". I'm not sure how anyone was supposed to know that. Without additional qualifications, "American jets" clearly includes Air Force jets. And, again, Air Force jets generally do not take off from air craft carriers, shiny or otherwise. > Many branches of the American armed forces operate jets > Allied countries also operate American jets, even the F-35. > The F-35 has many variants, and can fulfill many roles Yes. Those are all facts. Facts than have no bearing on your original post. It's ok to admit you were wrong, you know. It doesn't reflect poorly on you.
    - partycoder 8y ago
      The original statement is true as it is, no additions needed. The clarification was for you, given your reply. Here there's an article of an American F-35 on an American aircraft carrier, just for you, enjoy (and remember, I never said air force): https://www.navytimes.com/news/your-navy/2018/03/26/navy-conducts-f-35c-qualifications-aboard-aircraft-carrier/ https://www.navytimes.com/news/your-navy/2018/03/26/navy-con... Now please respect HN comment guidelines and don't personally attack people :)
mieseratte 8y ago
> American jets need a shiny aircraft carrier and a coin can mess them up. Marine variants are VTOL, USAF operates no carriers. As for the coin story, I'm sure you're confusing A) carrier FOD sweeps, which are because small debris traveling at high-speed will cause serious damage or B) one of those stories about some old Chinese woman throwing coins into a jet engine and causing a major delay and extrapolating from there.
- blarg1 8y ago
  there's a documentary I forget where that shows a russia jet closing their front of intakes and opening the top of them at take off, preventing debris on the runway from being sucked in.
  - dingaling 8y ago
    That was on the early versions of the MiG-29. The latest 29M and K models eliminated the intake plates and over-wing louvres in favour of simpler swing-down intake grilles. That saved a lot of weight and drag and gave extra volume for fuel.
jeffcore 8y ago
There are several U.S. military aircraft that can operate from rudimentary airstrips, such as the A-10. While it's true most U.S. fighters aren't designed with engine protection systems like the MiG's, the requirement to operate from unpaved runway surfaces is so rare that it's not a real problem -- reducing weight and mechanical complexity.
- partycoder 8y ago
  So you claim that in a naval battle, there's no chance that the surface of a carrier gets polluted with debris?
  - jeffcore 8y ago
    As a naval aviator myself, no I don't think this is a much of a problem as you're trying to make it out to be.
    - partycoder 8y ago
      I think that in a more symmetric engagement it would harder to keep things as clean. But that is just a thought. I appreciate your opinion.
  - greedo 8y ago
    It gets "polluted" frequently. Google "FOD walk."

crispyporkbites 8y ago

What

dloose 8y ago

This doesn't sound right. The USAF is the largest air force in the world and, as far as I know, it has exactly 0 air craft carriers. I'm sure a well-placed coin could mess up a lot of machines. Can you back up anything you said with evidence?

partycoder 8y ago
I mentioned the jets, not air force. Many branches of the American armed forces operate jets. Allied countries also operate American jets, even the F-35. The F-35 has many variants, and can fulfill many roles.
- dloose 8y ago
  Hmm... here's what you said: > American jets need a shiny aircraft carrier and a coin can mess them up Now it sounds like you're trying to claim that you weren't including American Air Force jets in the term "American jets". I'm not sure how anyone was supposed to know that. Without additional qualifications, "American jets" clearly includes Air Force jets. And, again, Air Force jets generally do not take off from air craft carriers, shiny or otherwise. > Many branches of the American armed forces operate jets > Allied countries also operate American jets, even the F-35. > The F-35 has many variants, and can fulfill many roles Yes. Those are all facts. Facts than have no bearing on your original post. It's ok to admit you were wrong, you know. It doesn't reflect poorly on you.
  - partycoder 8y ago
    The original statement is true as it is, no additions needed. The clarification was for you, given your reply. Here there's an article of an American F-35 on an American aircraft carrier, just for you, enjoy (and remember, I never said air force): https://www.navytimes.com/news/your-navy/2018/03/26/navy-conducts-f-35c-qualifications-aboard-aircraft-carrier/ https://www.navytimes.com/news/your-navy/2018/03/26/navy-con... Now please respect HN comment guidelines and don't personally attack people :)

mieseratte 8y ago

> American jets need a shiny aircraft carrier and a coin can mess them up. Marine variants are VTOL, USAF operates no carriers. As for the coin story, I'm sure you're confusing A) carrier FOD sweeps, which are because small debris traveling at high-speed will cause serious damage or B) one of those stories about some old Chinese woman throwing coins into a jet engine and causing a major delay and extrapolating from there.

blarg1 8y ago
there's a documentary I forget where that shows a russia jet closing their front of intakes and opening the top of them at take off, preventing debris on the runway from being sucked in.
- dingaling 8y ago
  That was on the early versions of the MiG-29. The latest 29M and K models eliminated the intake plates and over-wing louvres in favour of simpler swing-down intake grilles. That saved a lot of weight and drag and gave extra volume for fuel.

jeffcore 8y ago

There are several U.S. military aircraft that can operate from rudimentary airstrips, such as the A-10. While it's true most U.S. fighters aren't designed with engine protection systems like the MiG's, the requirement to operate from unpaved runway surfaces is so rare that it's not a real problem -- reducing weight and mechanical complexity.

partycoder 8y ago
So you claim that in a naval battle, there's no chance that the surface of a carrier gets polluted with debris?
- jeffcore 8y ago
  As a naval aviator myself, no I don't think this is a much of a problem as you're trying to make it out to be.
  - partycoder 8y ago
    I think that in a more symmetric engagement it would harder to keep things as clean. But that is just a thought. I appreciate your opinion.
- greedo 8y ago
  It gets "polluted" frequently. Google "FOD walk."