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But that's just the problem... If Oracle makes the "standard" JVM entirely proprietary, then they are under no obligation to provide it for free. I'm sure they

by lukev 16y ago

But that's just the problem... If Oracle makes the "standard" JVM entirely proprietary, then they are under no obligation to provide it for free. I'm sure they'll always provide a free version for desktop users, in the interests of having a wide install base. But given the pricing schemes for other Oracle products, I fully expect you'd start seeing things like per-CPU licensing for enterprises, and developer licences for the JDK. Unless something happens, I'd be VERY surprised if the "standard" JVM is still "free to use", let alone open source, in 5 years.

lmz 16y ago
That might be possible (free desktop edition, limited to 2 cores and 8GB RAM?), but I can't honestly blame Oracle for wanting to make money out of Java. Sun had the COBOL of the 21st century and still failed to make much money out of it. Oracle isn't going to make the same mistake.
- rbanffy 16y ago
  > Oracle isn't going to make the same mistake. And will probably kill Java in the process.
  - crpatino 16y ago
    they are probably going to kill Java... in a market segment where it has been chronically ill for years. Java Enterprise is alive and healthy, thank you very much. No reason to believe that it will not continue to do pretty good for the next decade at least.
    - rbanffy 16y ago
      It will enter "legacy-mode". The prophecy of Java being the 21st century COBOL will be, at last, fulfilled. Old systems will be maintained and extended as long as they remain useful. New systems will be initially deployed on those platforms but, as new programmers grow less and less familiar with them and thus costlier to train, new technologies will emerge and take its place like Java took COBOL's (at least part of it). All of this happened before, and it will happen again.
rbanffy 16y ago
> Unless something happens, I'd be VERY surprised if the "standard" JVM is still "free to use", let alone open source, in 5 years. Or relevant

by lukev 16y ago

lmz 16y ago

That might be possible (free desktop edition, limited to 2 cores and 8GB RAM?), but I can't honestly blame Oracle for wanting to make money out of Java. Sun had the COBOL of the 21st century and still failed to make much money out of it. Oracle isn't going to make the same mistake.

rbanffy 16y ago
> Oracle isn't going to make the same mistake. And will probably kill Java in the process.
- crpatino 16y ago
  they are probably going to kill Java... in a market segment where it has been chronically ill for years. Java Enterprise is alive and healthy, thank you very much. No reason to believe that it will not continue to do pretty good for the next decade at least.
  - rbanffy 16y ago
    It will enter "legacy-mode". The prophecy of Java being the 21st century COBOL will be, at last, fulfilled. Old systems will be maintained and extended as long as they remain useful. New systems will be initially deployed on those platforms but, as new programmers grow less and less familiar with them and thus costlier to train, new technologies will emerge and take its place like Java took COBOL's (at least part of it). All of this happened before, and it will happen again.

rbanffy 16y ago

> Unless something happens, I'd be VERY surprised if the "standard" JVM is still "free to use", let alone open source, in 5 years. Or relevant