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I have to be honest, coming from Python 2.3 (2004ish), I don't recognize "new" Python anymore. I think it's mostly regarding type definitions.

by foxhop 9y ago

prlin 9y ago
After seeing the huge improvements that JavaScript has gone through over the years I'm all for language updates. Same with Java and C++ (although not as much for Java and I don't know C++ but I always hear C++11 is "new").
- Deinumite 9y ago
  Java 8 (and 9 more so) bring a lot of changes but more focused on core libraries than the language itself. Not as drastic as the changes JS has seen. C++11 though is quite a bit different. Probably the biggest change being that raw pointers * for the most part should not be used anymore.
toopsss 9y ago
It’s not too bad I think, it’s just an evolution really. You can probably grok the basics of the type annotations in a short sit down. I can’t even remember when decorators were introduced but that even more greatly changed how python was written. I’ve been using python since 1.6 and I always thought the amount of repetition was ridiculous. I bet I’m not the only one that has written a “dsl” of what attrs and this pep does 1000 times using the facilities python had at the time: metaclasses, then decorators. Of course all these implementations were rushed, half assed and barely production quality. Despite any warts attrs is a pleasure to use. Type annotations boost IntelliJ/pycharm already quite clever assistance. One lingering thing is attrs named_attrs that while syntactically the best approach in my mind doesn’t work well with IntelliJ. So hopefully this will address it.
gdwatson 9y ago
It's relatively recent. IMHO Python 3.5 to 3.7 feel like the language is going in a different direction than it did before -- type hints and the handling of asynchrony in particular.
- Rotareti 9y ago
  If been using a lot of Python/JS/TypeScript in the last couple of years and it seems like each new release brings them closer together.
  - patrickxie 9y ago
    which IDE do you use these 3 with?
    - Rotareti 9y ago
      VSCode
  - sjellis 9y ago
    "If been using a lot of Python/JS/TypeScript in the last couple of years and it seems like each new release brings them closer together." Yeah, I've just moved from a Python thing to doing some modern JS (async/await etc.), and they feel like cousins. To my surprise, I find that I like the comparative minimalism of JS: it has most of the key features of Python, but doesn't feel like it has the same cognitive load.
cup-of-tea 9y ago
Python has grown a lot since then. Back then it was this "better scripting language" that every Linux user kinda knew. Now it's being used much more widely and that just wouldn't cut it any more.

I have to be honest, coming from Python 2.3 (2004ish), I don't recognize "new" Python anymore. I think it's mostly regarding type definitions.

by foxhop 9y ago

I have to be honest, coming from Python 2.3 (2004ish), I don't recognize "new" Python anymore. I think it's mostly regarding type definitions.

prlin 9y ago

After seeing the huge improvements that JavaScript has gone through over the years I'm all for language updates. Same with Java and C++ (although not as much for Java and I don't know C++ but I always hear C++11 is "new").

Deinumite 9y ago
Java 8 (and 9 more so) bring a lot of changes but more focused on core libraries than the language itself. Not as drastic as the changes JS has seen. C++11 though is quite a bit different. Probably the biggest change being that raw pointers * for the most part should not be used anymore.

toopsss 9y ago

It’s not too bad I think, it’s just an evolution really. You can probably grok the basics of the type annotations in a short sit down. I can’t even remember when decorators were introduced but that even more greatly changed how python was written. I’ve been using python since 1.6 and I always thought the amount of repetition was ridiculous. I bet I’m not the only one that has written a “dsl” of what attrs and this pep does 1000 times using the facilities python had at the time: metaclasses, then decorators. Of course all these implementations were rushed, half assed and barely production quality. Despite any warts attrs is a pleasure to use. Type annotations boost IntelliJ/pycharm already quite clever assistance. One lingering thing is attrs named_attrs that while syntactically the best approach in my mind doesn’t work well with IntelliJ. So hopefully this will address it.

gdwatson 9y ago

It's relatively recent. IMHO Python 3.5 to 3.7 feel like the language is going in a different direction than it did before -- type hints and the handling of asynchrony in particular.

Rotareti 9y ago
If been using a lot of Python/JS/TypeScript in the last couple of years and it seems like each new release brings them closer together.
- patrickxie 9y ago
  which IDE do you use these 3 with?
  - Rotareti 9y ago
    VSCode
- sjellis 9y ago
  "If been using a lot of Python/JS/TypeScript in the last couple of years and it seems like each new release brings them closer together." Yeah, I've just moved from a Python thing to doing some modern JS (async/await etc.), and they feel like cousins. To my surprise, I find that I like the comparative minimalism of JS: it has most of the key features of Python, but doesn't feel like it has the same cognitive load.

cup-of-tea 9y ago

Python has grown a lot since then. Back then it was this "better scripting language" that every Linux user kinda knew. Now it's being used much more widely and that just wouldn't cut it any more.