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> You look it up. Every article you'll find will point out that on a light vehicle like an bicycle you don't need to countersteer with the handlebars and can ac

> You look it up. Every article you'll find will point out that on a light vehicle like an bicycle you don't need to countersteer with the handlebars and can achieve the same effect by weight shifting. (Indeed the fact that it's possible to ride a bicycle without holding the handlebars at all should be all the proof that's necessary that one can navigate through weight shifting alone). What exactly is your claim? That you can turn left without touching the handlbars, or that you can turn left without first having the bicycle steer right?

lmm 9y ago
> What exactly is your claim? That you can turn left without touching the handlbars, or that you can turn left without first having the bicycle steer right? That you can turn left without having to "go right". If you tilt to the left by shifting your weight (and that's something I actually found almost impossible to do consciously - when I first learned to ride a recumbent I had to learn to weight shift before turning the handlebars all over again, for the same reason as people countersteer - when I tried to just turn with the handlebars I fell off, so I'm familiar with the effect we're talking about - but if you just lean to the left your body figures it out, or at least mine did) you'll turn to the left and follow the line just fine.
- fwdpropaganda 9y ago
  > That you can turn left without having to "go right". Then you're wrong, and mixing handlebars into this is just you trying to obfuscate. You claim that "Every article you'll find will point out that on a light vehicle like an bicycle you don't need to countersteer with the handlebars". I'm guessing you're regurgitating [0]. At least you looked it up like I suggested, respect. But it says that you don't need to countersteer with the handlebars because you can countersteer without the handlebars. You're still countersteering, as can be seen by the initial bump in the middle graph [1]. Anyway, like someone else said this is starting to look like YouTube comments. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Countersteering#Countersteering_by_weight_shifting https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Countersteering#Countersteerin... [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Countersteer_response.JPG https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Countersteer_response.JPG
  - lmm 9y ago
    > At least you looked it up like I suggested Don't flatter yourself. I had read that article or another like it years ago. > it says that you don't need to countersteer with the handlebars because you can countersteer without the handlebars. You're right. I misunderstood, and I've learnt something - that explains why it was hard to lean over consciously. We'd've got here a lot sooner if you'd put half as much effort into engagement as you do into condescension.
    - fwdpropaganda 9y ago
      >> At least you looked it up like I suggested > Don't flatter yourself. I had read that article or another like it years ago. Really? Wikipedia: > With a sufficiently light bike (especially a bicycle), the rider can initiate a lean and turn without using the handlebars by shifting body weight You: > Every article you'll find will point out that on a light vehicle like an bicycle you don't need to countersteer with the handlebars and can achieve the same effect by weight shifting That's an astonishing amount of paraphrasing for something you read "years ago". I think we both know that "minutes ago" is more likely to be true.
      - lmm 9y ago
        You're not even pretending to be anything other than a troll any more. Believe what you like.

lmm 9y ago

> What exactly is your claim? That you can turn left without touching the handlbars, or that you can turn left without first having the bicycle steer right? That you can turn left without having to "go right". If you tilt to the left by shifting your weight (and that's something I actually found almost impossible to do consciously - when I first learned to ride a recumbent I had to learn to weight shift before turning the handlebars all over again, for the same reason as people countersteer - when I tried to just turn with the handlebars I fell off, so I'm familiar with the effect we're talking about - but if you just lean to the left your body figures it out, or at least mine did) you'll turn to the left and follow the line just fine.

fwdpropaganda 9y ago
> That you can turn left without having to "go right". Then you're wrong, and mixing handlebars into this is just you trying to obfuscate. You claim that "Every article you'll find will point out that on a light vehicle like an bicycle you don't need to countersteer with the handlebars". I'm guessing you're regurgitating [0]. At least you looked it up like I suggested, respect. But it says that you don't need to countersteer with the handlebars because you can countersteer without the handlebars. You're still countersteering, as can be seen by the initial bump in the middle graph [1]. Anyway, like someone else said this is starting to look like YouTube comments. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Countersteering#Countersteering_by_weight_shifting https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Countersteering#Countersteerin... [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Countersteer_response.JPG https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Countersteer_response.JPG
- lmm 9y ago
  > At least you looked it up like I suggested Don't flatter yourself. I had read that article or another like it years ago. > it says that you don't need to countersteer with the handlebars because you can countersteer without the handlebars. You're right. I misunderstood, and I've learnt something - that explains why it was hard to lean over consciously. We'd've got here a lot sooner if you'd put half as much effort into engagement as you do into condescension.
  - fwdpropaganda 9y ago
    >> At least you looked it up like I suggested > Don't flatter yourself. I had read that article or another like it years ago. Really? Wikipedia: > With a sufficiently light bike (especially a bicycle), the rider can initiate a lean and turn without using the handlebars by shifting body weight You: > Every article you'll find will point out that on a light vehicle like an bicycle you don't need to countersteer with the handlebars and can achieve the same effect by weight shifting That's an astonishing amount of paraphrasing for something you read "years ago". I think we both know that "minutes ago" is more likely to be true.
    - lmm 9y ago
      You're not even pretending to be anything other than a troll any more. Believe what you like.