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Are you saying the reality is much worse? Or that Oracle has a bright side?

by mathgladiator 8y ago

StavrosK 8y ago
The former, Oracle is pretty much the devil of the tech world.
- eps 8y ago
  A man's gotta do what a man's gotta do. Those Hawaiian islands aren't cheap, you know...
jacquesm 8y ago
Oracle exists mainly to make Microsoft look good.
- Ygg2 8y ago
  Please, Oracle exist only to make money. Microsoft looking good is just an amusing side effect.
suyash 8y ago
It's one of the market leader in enterprise software and database for decades. Don't be just another hater.
- fuzzy2 8y ago
  I’ve never heard a developer say good things about Oracle databases though. Being the #1 doesn’t mean you’re right. It just means your ads work.
  - alex_hitchins 8y ago
    I've used a vast array of databases over the years, from Open Source to expensive vendor stuff. Oracle always seemed ridiculously overpriced for what you got. MS Sql Server is the most common enterprise RDBMS I've encountered and is by no means cheap (at enterprise level) but by goodness it's wonderful compared to Oracle.
- simonh 8y ago
  Being rich and successful puts them above criticism?
- flipp3r 8y ago
  "Suyash Joshi is a a senior software engineer at Oracle" Next time, just put "Disclaimer: I work for Oracle"
  - jcbrand 8y ago
    Disclosure, not disclaimer
    - danieltillett 8y ago
      Normally I would agree, but we are talking about Oracle.
- mathw 8y ago
  And it's not going to stay that way through legal bludgeoning. Where's the technical innovation? Where's the work that's going to make working with an Oracle database package something less akin to being chased by a swarm of bees? Where's the developer tooling which doesn't make SQL Server Management Studio look like a paragon of user experience (which it very much isn't)? Where's the documentation for PeopleSoft which actually makes any sense? (I suspect the product itself no longer makes any sense, which would explain much). It really feels like Oracle once had amazing technology but fell into the trap of an unmaintainable nightmare and have fallen back on the legal route to try to retain their dominance.
  - hyperpallium 8y ago
    Codd, at IBM, invented the relational database (though not SQL). And yet, Oracle got their rdb to market before IBM. They subsequently marketed it as a way to integrate heterogeneous systems - which IBM could not do (they had to champion their own machines). Amazing - stealing fire from the gods (as Microsoft later did...) Unfortunately, while the community advantages of having a dominant interoperation mechanism are real - like having a common tongue - it rewarded the means of attaining dominance. A sales culture. A zero-sum game. It's not enough that I win, others must lose. And here we are.
NicoJuicy 8y ago
There isn't a bright side about Oracle, not even using their products. It's old school software selling, influence the decision maker and the job is done

Are you saying the reality is much worse? Or that Oracle has a bright side?

StavrosK 8y ago

The former, Oracle is pretty much the devil of the tech world.

eps 8y ago
A man's gotta do what a man's gotta do. Those Hawaiian islands aren't cheap, you know...

jacquesm 8y ago

Oracle exists mainly to make Microsoft look good.

Ygg2 8y ago
Please, Oracle exist only to make money. Microsoft looking good is just an amusing side effect.

suyash 8y ago

It's one of the market leader in enterprise software and database for decades. Don't be just another hater.

fuzzy2 8y ago
I’ve never heard a developer say good things about Oracle databases though. Being the #1 doesn’t mean you’re right. It just means your ads work.
- alex_hitchins 8y ago
  I've used a vast array of databases over the years, from Open Source to expensive vendor stuff. Oracle always seemed ridiculously overpriced for what you got. MS Sql Server is the most common enterprise RDBMS I've encountered and is by no means cheap (at enterprise level) but by goodness it's wonderful compared to Oracle.
simonh 8y ago
Being rich and successful puts them above criticism?
flipp3r 8y ago
"Suyash Joshi is a a senior software engineer at Oracle" Next time, just put "Disclaimer: I work for Oracle"
- jcbrand 8y ago
  Disclosure, not disclaimer
  - danieltillett 8y ago
    Normally I would agree, but we are talking about Oracle.
mathw 8y ago
And it's not going to stay that way through legal bludgeoning. Where's the technical innovation? Where's the work that's going to make working with an Oracle database package something less akin to being chased by a swarm of bees? Where's the developer tooling which doesn't make SQL Server Management Studio look like a paragon of user experience (which it very much isn't)? Where's the documentation for PeopleSoft which actually makes any sense? (I suspect the product itself no longer makes any sense, which would explain much). It really feels like Oracle once had amazing technology but fell into the trap of an unmaintainable nightmare and have fallen back on the legal route to try to retain their dominance.
- hyperpallium 8y ago
  Codd, at IBM, invented the relational database (though not SQL). And yet, Oracle got their rdb to market before IBM. They subsequently marketed it as a way to integrate heterogeneous systems - which IBM could not do (they had to champion their own machines). Amazing - stealing fire from the gods (as Microsoft later did...) Unfortunately, while the community advantages of having a dominant interoperation mechanism are real - like having a common tongue - it rewarded the means of attaining dominance. A sales culture. A zero-sum game. It's not enough that I win, others must lose. And here we are.

NicoJuicy 8y ago

There isn't a bright side about Oracle, not even using their products. It's old school software selling, influence the decision maker and the job is done