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Your argument here might have some contradictions. It boils down to the fact that people don't get to force others to behave in a certain way, and I completely

Your argument here might have some contradictions. It boils down to the fact that people don't get to force others to behave in a certain way, and I completely agree with you. But then you then use that to argue that therefore people should be able to force others to behave in a certain way. You know? As we don't live in an authoritarian state and we respect individuals' rights, we tend to rely on the market to provide the most fairness. The reason for this is that the market is effectively a democratization of pricing. I don't think it takes a huge degree of empathy to see how some group believe that an individual that believes they should be able to break this democratization of price to force others to enable them to reside wherever they want is what could be called entitled, selfish, and greedy.

epistasis 9y ago
> But then you then use that to argue that therefore people should be able to force others to behave in a certain way. You know? I'm not sure how I'm arguing to be able to force others to behave in certain way. I'm against some people being able to punch others; so in that sort of sense, I'm for that sort of controlling others' behavior. But this is no paradox, it's fundamental about what sort of control we're exerting on others. Is it to increase all our freedom and letting us interact more? Or are we restricting people's behavior to prevent overall freedom? When a cartel forms, and controls the market, is that regular market behavior? It's certainly to the cartel's benefit, and it's most certainly the natural thing for a cartel to act in its own self interest. But we outlaw that in markets, because they overall greatly restrict markets from operating. I'm hugely hesitant to view everything from the point of view of markets, but if we were to do that, it's clear that local municipalities are acting as housing cartels on the behalf of a minority of the residents of a community. It's landowners highly constraining the use of land such they benefit and restrict the rest of the market from using land in ways that the cartel disapproves of (for example, multi-unit apartments).
- rofrol 9y ago
  > increase all our freedom Not "all our" but of certain group. "your freedom ends where my freedom begins"
- rofrol 9y ago
  Or event better. Let USA open borders and let everybody come from the Earth. What would you say then? When you will have like 10x more problems with overpopulation, crime rising etc.

epistasis 9y ago

> But then you then use that to argue that therefore people should be able to force others to behave in a certain way. You know? I'm not sure how I'm arguing to be able to force others to behave in certain way. I'm against some people being able to punch others; so in that sort of sense, I'm for that sort of controlling others' behavior. But this is no paradox, it's fundamental about what sort of control we're exerting on others. Is it to increase all our freedom and letting us interact more? Or are we restricting people's behavior to prevent overall freedom? When a cartel forms, and controls the market, is that regular market behavior? It's certainly to the cartel's benefit, and it's most certainly the natural thing for a cartel to act in its own self interest. But we outlaw that in markets, because they overall greatly restrict markets from operating. I'm hugely hesitant to view everything from the point of view of markets, but if we were to do that, it's clear that local municipalities are acting as housing cartels on the behalf of a minority of the residents of a community. It's landowners highly constraining the use of land such they benefit and restrict the rest of the market from using land in ways that the cartel disapproves of (for example, multi-unit apartments).

rofrol 9y ago
> increase all our freedom Not "all our" but of certain group. "your freedom ends where my freedom begins"
rofrol 9y ago
Or event better. Let USA open borders and let everybody come from the Earth. What would you say then? When you will have like 10x more problems with overpopulation, crime rising etc.