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Is it abhorrent that the owners in a neighborhood can choose to come together as a collective and influence the neighborhood they all live in? If yes, is it al

by st26 8y ago

Is it abhorrent that the owners in a neighborhood can choose to come together as a collective and influence the neighborhood they all live in? If yes, is it also abhorrent when a group of workers at a company band together to influence the working conditions they all work under?

epistasis 8y ago
This is shifting the question from an interesting one to an uninteresting one. Collective influence is not abhorrent, but the direction that they influence things certainly can be. When segregated neighborhoods collectively influenced which races could buy houses, was that abhorrent? I think we would all agree. When neighborhoods for neighborhoods watch groups, or clean up a playground, or build community by throwing block parties, they are doing great, not abhorrent things. Conspiring to keep others out is usually abhorrent though.
- rofrol 8y ago
  It was a good question. Workers want good working conditions, home owners good living conditions.
zkms 8y ago
> Is it abhorrent that the owners in a neighborhood can choose to come together as a collective and influence the neighborhood they all live in? Nothing wrong with it! If some people in a neighbourhood want to buy up a parcel of land to prevent housing from being built there, there's nothing wrong with that. The issue sorta crops up when you start dictating what (structurally-sound) buildings others get to build on their own land. If you want to reject private property altogether and go to some centrally-planned economic system then you've got a lot of work to do because even the fucking USSR was better at building housing than US cities are today.
- Fins 8y ago
  Technically, USSR still was worse; Even in the 80's people lived in barracks. In Moscow people were living in communal flats. US is still slightly better than that.

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Is it abhorrent that the owners in a neighborhood can choose to come together as a collective and influence the neighborhood they all live in? If yes, is it al

by st26 8y ago

epistasis 8y ago
This is shifting the question from an interesting one to an uninteresting one. Collective influence is not abhorrent, but the direction that they influence things certainly can be. When segregated neighborhoods collectively influenced which races could buy houses, was that abhorrent? I think we would all agree. When neighborhoods for neighborhoods watch groups, or clean up a playground, or build community by throwing block parties, they are doing great, not abhorrent things. Conspiring to keep others out is usually abhorrent though.
- rofrol 8y ago
  It was a good question. Workers want good working conditions, home owners good living conditions.
zkms 8y ago
> Is it abhorrent that the owners in a neighborhood can choose to come together as a collective and influence the neighborhood they all live in? Nothing wrong with it! If some people in a neighbourhood want to buy up a parcel of land to prevent housing from being built there, there's nothing wrong with that. The issue sorta crops up when you start dictating what (structurally-sound) buildings others get to build on their own land. If you want to reject private property altogether and go to some centrally-planned economic system then you've got a lot of work to do because even the fucking USSR was better at building housing than US cities are today.
- Fins 8y ago
  Technically, USSR still was worse; Even in the 80's people lived in barracks. In Moscow people were living in communal flats. US is still slightly better than that.