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/sigh. Yet another "privacy" solution that's solves the wrong problem. You prevent the big bad company from spying on your browsing activity while, at the sam

by tylerl 9y ago

/sigh. Yet another "privacy" solution that's solves the wrong problem. You prevent the big bad company from spying on your browsing activity while, at the same time, explicitly posting to the big bad company's first-party site messages containing all the juicy bits of private information that you went through all that effort to prevent them from inferring through your other activities. And we pretend this is helping, rather than just adding noise to an already confusing technical landscape.

TheRealPomax 9y ago
Sorry, you're not seriously entertaining the idea that browsers should just turn off facebook for everyone, are you? There are plenty of parts on this planet where facebook is the main page in people's lives, like it or not, and the problem to solve is one of people's attitude towards that being okay. Not the availability of facebook. You don't change people's minds from "this is useful to me on an hourly basis" to "I won't use this" without going through (many) intermediate step(s), and this is a GREAT intermediate step for those people who can't (for whatever reason) give up facebook, but do understand that maybe it's time to restrict what facebook sees a little. And then we keep the pressure on, as society. This is a long battle, we're nowhere near done.
- some_account 9y ago
  Big companies like this never go away. They just reshape their public image and keep doing what they are doing. The Facebook thing will blow over. He has friends in high places. Right now this is a show for the public. Later its forgotten and Zuckerberg is back doing whatever he wants to do.
  - TheRealPomax 9y ago
    Big companies like this have never existed before. It's hard to remember, but 10 years ago there was no "massive Facebook" or anything of the same scale. Amazon, Apple, you name it: NONE of them have been around long enough for a claim that "they never go away" to make any kind of sense.
    - sametmax 9y ago
      The same shape no. But big invasive entities have always existed. In france, coal mines almost owned the lifz of their worker : when they shop, where they slept, etc. News were only on a few newspapers or tv channels linked to the same top people, one source of info to tell you what to think, do and to buy. The government has always collected a lot of infos to. Before that, the church did. They polished the global personnal data collection but called it confession. They mastered the ad, it was for all people to see on sunday. Very useful for population control and black mail. So unless people learn to see the red flags and react, the next wolf will it the sheeps like always.
nimbosa 9y ago
yes, why not just use the Private / incognito mode every time you want to use Facebook directly or indirectly? That way any Facebook-owned service like logins and website comments plugin will work as expected but will not follow you around in your regular browser window! ________________________ From the extension page: > "Clicking Facebook Share buttons on other browser tabs will load them within the Facebook Container. You should know that using these buttons passes information to Facebook about the website that you shared from." > "Because you will be logged into Facebook only in the Container, embedded Facebook comments and Like buttons in tabs outside the Facebook Container will not work. This prevents Facebook from associating information about your activity on websites outside of Facebook to your Facebook identity. > In addition, websites that allow you to create an account or log in using your Facebook credentials will generally not work properly. Because this extension is designed to separate Facebook use from use of other websites, this behavior is expected."
Vinnl 9y ago
I think you're making a bigger deal of the negative effects of "noise" than it is. If anything, it at least helps spur the discussion about tracking and grow awareness. Comments like "sigh" are not at all constructive, and I would encourage you to consider not being immediately dismissive to people who at least try to do something about problems you care about.

by tylerl 9y ago

TheRealPomax 9y ago

Sorry, you're not seriously entertaining the idea that browsers should just turn off facebook for everyone, are you? There are plenty of parts on this planet where facebook is the main page in people's lives, like it or not, and the problem to solve is one of people's attitude towards that being okay. Not the availability of facebook. You don't change people's minds from "this is useful to me on an hourly basis" to "I won't use this" without going through (many) intermediate step(s), and this is a GREAT intermediate step for those people who can't (for whatever reason) give up facebook, but do understand that maybe it's time to restrict what facebook sees a little. And then we keep the pressure on, as society. This is a long battle, we're nowhere near done.

some_account 9y ago
Big companies like this never go away. They just reshape their public image and keep doing what they are doing. The Facebook thing will blow over. He has friends in high places. Right now this is a show for the public. Later its forgotten and Zuckerberg is back doing whatever he wants to do.
- TheRealPomax 9y ago
  Big companies like this have never existed before. It's hard to remember, but 10 years ago there was no "massive Facebook" or anything of the same scale. Amazon, Apple, you name it: NONE of them have been around long enough for a claim that "they never go away" to make any kind of sense.
  - sametmax 9y ago
    The same shape no. But big invasive entities have always existed. In france, coal mines almost owned the lifz of their worker : when they shop, where they slept, etc. News were only on a few newspapers or tv channels linked to the same top people, one source of info to tell you what to think, do and to buy. The government has always collected a lot of infos to. Before that, the church did. They polished the global personnal data collection but called it confession. They mastered the ad, it was for all people to see on sunday. Very useful for population control and black mail. So unless people learn to see the red flags and react, the next wolf will it the sheeps like always.

nimbosa 9y ago

yes, why not just use the Private / incognito mode every time you want to use Facebook directly or indirectly? That way any Facebook-owned service like logins and website comments plugin will work as expected but will not follow you around in your regular browser window! ________________________ From the extension page: > "Clicking Facebook Share buttons on other browser tabs will load them within the Facebook Container. You should know that using these buttons passes information to Facebook about the website that you shared from." > "Because you will be logged into Facebook only in the Container, embedded Facebook comments and Like buttons in tabs outside the Facebook Container will not work. This prevents Facebook from associating information about your activity on websites outside of Facebook to your Facebook identity. > In addition, websites that allow you to create an account or log in using your Facebook credentials will generally not work properly. Because this extension is designed to separate Facebook use from use of other websites, this behavior is expected."

Vinnl 9y ago

I think you're making a bigger deal of the negative effects of "noise" than it is. If anything, it at least helps spur the discussion about tracking and grow awareness. Comments like "sigh" are not at all constructive, and I would encourage you to consider not being immediately dismissive to people who at least try to do something about problems you care about.