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Blame the stupid EU cookie law for that though, not the sites. Cookies can actually be very user/privacy friendly, since they provide a way to retain user pref

Blame the stupid EU cookie law for that though, not the sites. Cookies can actually be very user/privacy friendly, since they provide a way to retain user preferences without requiring an account to tie them to.

fwn 9y ago
They are also entirely voluntary - which the EU would've known if decision makers had visited their browser settings once.
- icebraining 9y ago
  The notice is only for cookies used for non-essential tasks (like analytics) and doesn't have to be shown for things like login sessions. Your browser can't distinguish between those.
  - fwn 9y ago
    The cookie notice policy led to the worst imaginable actual outcome: A state in which you either accept cookies (incl. third party) by default or you will be haunted by numbing "reminders" that cookies exist. Usually taking large parts of your small screen estate. Prior to that you could just disable them if you liked. One can say that policy makers had good intentions - certainly. However, I can not imagine a valid evaluation that wouldn't conclude this policy as failure.
    - icebraining 9y ago
      I don't disagree that the policy was a failure, I just disagree with your specific point made in the previous post.
      - fwn 9y ago
        Hmm. I'm not sure I can follow. The browser not being able to distinguish between essential and non-essential cookies does not change the fact that cookies are and were entirely voluntary.
        icebraining 9y ago
        Right, but there's no reason to think the legislators didn't know that, because their goal was not to prevent the use of all cookies.
        pista 9y ago
        They thought that sites would stop using tracking cookies. But most sites use google analytics.
isostatic 9y ago
The intention was to highlight just how many sites use cookies to trace your movements that you might not realise. Clearly it didn't work well, and led to the reasons for a lot of the GDPR
flukus 9y ago
> Cookies can actually be very user/privacy friendly, since they provide a way to retain user preferences without requiring an account to tie them to. Enable cookies at that point then, don't turn them on globally for everyone. > Blame the stupid EU cookie law for that though, not the sites. If every site didn't turn on cookies by default as if they're somehow needed to read a text page a didn't contain a billion trackers then there would have been no law in the first place. The need for this law lies squarely at the feet of the sites themselves, the industry has shown no desire to regulate itself.

fwn 9y ago

They are also entirely voluntary - which the EU would've known if decision makers had visited their browser settings once.

icebraining 9y ago
The notice is only for cookies used for non-essential tasks (like analytics) and doesn't have to be shown for things like login sessions. Your browser can't distinguish between those.
- fwn 9y ago
  The cookie notice policy led to the worst imaginable actual outcome: A state in which you either accept cookies (incl. third party) by default or you will be haunted by numbing "reminders" that cookies exist. Usually taking large parts of your small screen estate. Prior to that you could just disable them if you liked. One can say that policy makers had good intentions - certainly. However, I can not imagine a valid evaluation that wouldn't conclude this policy as failure.
  - icebraining 9y ago
    I don't disagree that the policy was a failure, I just disagree with your specific point made in the previous post.
    - fwn 9y ago
      Hmm. I'm not sure I can follow. The browser not being able to distinguish between essential and non-essential cookies does not change the fact that cookies are and were entirely voluntary.
      - icebraining 9y ago
        Right, but there's no reason to think the legislators didn't know that, because their goal was not to prevent the use of all cookies.
        pista 9y ago
        They thought that sites would stop using tracking cookies. But most sites use google analytics.

isostatic 9y ago

The intention was to highlight just how many sites use cookies to trace your movements that you might not realise. Clearly it didn't work well, and led to the reasons for a lot of the GDPR

flukus 9y ago

> Cookies can actually be very user/privacy friendly, since they provide a way to retain user preferences without requiring an account to tie them to. Enable cookies at that point then, don't turn them on globally for everyone. > Blame the stupid EU cookie law for that though, not the sites. If every site didn't turn on cookies by default as if they're somehow needed to read a text page a didn't contain a billion trackers then there would have been no law in the first place. The need for this law lies squarely at the feet of the sites themselves, the industry has shown no desire to regulate itself.