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Neat. Is this your app? The tabs on the top of mailtrain.org seem to want me to log in, which is confusing or possibly broken? How would you compare it to Send

by eli 9y ago

Neat. Is this your app? The tabs on the top of mailtrain.org seem to want me to log in, which is confusing or possibly broken? How would you compare it to Sendy and EmailOctopus? I send a lot of email newsletters and I've always wanted to do this general approach (decouple list management & analytics from SMTP & deliverability) but found existing solutions pretty far from what we'd require.

ausjke 9y ago
a naive question, what about GNU mailman, yes it does not have the fancy GUI but it gets the job done?
- joecot 9y ago
  Mailman is for discussion lists. Mailtrain is for marketing emails. Mailman is really good for setting up discussion lists for a group or even a company, and managing all the people in those lists. People can sign up themselves, and can view list archives. You can have announcement lists, but people sign themselves up, and you generally send the announcements from your own email. If you're making mailing lists for a group of people, mailman works great, but Mailtrain is for marketing. Email marketing software like Mailtrain, or services like Mailchimp, are for sending email blasts for marketing purposes. If you're sending email for marketing, you need to track things like email bounces and unsubscribes, to see how effective your marketing campaigns are. Mailchimp / Mailgun have additional features like report, and click tracking from your emails.
- Animats 9y ago
  Mailman is for people who really want the newsletter. Recipients have to send an email to subscribe. It's for real newsletters. Mailchump is for spammers. Despite all the frantic spin control, it's spamming.
tpetry 9y ago
The decoupling reason and having much better analytics than simple open and click counters was the reason we built https://mailspice.com https://mailspice.com so we could use a good list management tool, a good smtp service and our vendor neutral analytics solution - just to choose the best solution for every area.
- eli 9y ago
  Cool, will definitely take a look. What do you recommend for list management?
  - tpetry 9y ago
    We first used sendy but then developed our own solution because we had very special requirements that no existing solved: Building visual nice emails but all the time within dome defined CI. So we created a meta language to build emails from email-specific blocks with every block having special purpose (language defined) input fields to fill the placeholders within the block. No WYSIWYG was used because ci conformance can‘t be enforced with these solutions.
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yoran 9y ago
We migrated from Sendinblue to Sendy like everyone, to save costs. We've sent two newsletters now with Sendy. It works well. However, I dug into the code just out of curiosity and it looks pretty horrible. This doesn't give me too much confidence in upgrading to a more recent version as it works now. At first sight, the mailtrain code looks a bit nicer, and it has a "/test" directory.

by eli 9y ago

ausjke 9y ago

a naive question, what about GNU mailman, yes it does not have the fancy GUI but it gets the job done?

joecot 9y ago
Mailman is for discussion lists. Mailtrain is for marketing emails. Mailman is really good for setting up discussion lists for a group or even a company, and managing all the people in those lists. People can sign up themselves, and can view list archives. You can have announcement lists, but people sign themselves up, and you generally send the announcements from your own email. If you're making mailing lists for a group of people, mailman works great, but Mailtrain is for marketing. Email marketing software like Mailtrain, or services like Mailchimp, are for sending email blasts for marketing purposes. If you're sending email for marketing, you need to track things like email bounces and unsubscribes, to see how effective your marketing campaigns are. Mailchimp / Mailgun have additional features like report, and click tracking from your emails.
Animats 9y ago
Mailman is for people who really want the newsletter. Recipients have to send an email to subscribe. It's for real newsletters. Mailchump is for spammers. Despite all the frantic spin control, it's spamming.

tpetry 9y ago

The decoupling reason and having much better analytics than simple open and click counters was the reason we built https://mailspice.com https://mailspice.com so we could use a good list management tool, a good smtp service and our vendor neutral analytics solution - just to choose the best solution for every area.

eli 9y ago
Cool, will definitely take a look. What do you recommend for list management?
- tpetry 9y ago
  We first used sendy but then developed our own solution because we had very special requirements that no existing solved: Building visual nice emails but all the time within dome defined CI. So we created a meta language to build emails from email-specific blocks with every block having special purpose (language defined) input fields to fill the placeholders within the block. No WYSIWYG was used because ci conformance can‘t be enforced with these solutions.
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yoran 9y ago

We migrated from Sendinblue to Sendy like everyone, to save costs. We've sent two newsletters now with Sendy. It works well. However, I dug into the code just out of curiosity and it looks pretty horrible. This doesn't give me too much confidence in upgrading to a more recent version as it works now. At first sight, the mailtrain code looks a bit nicer, and it has a "/test" directory.