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This is like going to a chess club and suggesting they get rid of all the rules about chess, all of the history of the game, all of the books advising people ho

by Noos 9y ago

This is like going to a chess club and suggesting they get rid of all the rules about chess, all of the history of the game, all of the books advising people how to play it, and that annoying ranking thing, and giving them the board and pieces. Then you tell them to make up their own game and sit back and watch the social connections form. It generally doesn't work, because you can be present in the moment playing golf or sleeping in much more easily. if you try and make a chess club essentially without chess, why bother?

remir 9y ago
If chess clubs are dying around the country because people lost interest in chess, that doesn't mean they aren't looking for something else to play. When Jesus spoke about churches (ekklesia), he wasn't referring to a building, an organization or leadership structure or rules. He did not speak about "sunday school", singing songs, or any or that. He was talking about a spontaneous gathering of people who felt "called out of the world to follow him and serve God". It's not like he told his disciples to go ahead and start this "Christian" religion and build the buildings that people would go to every Sunday like clock work. We are the product of culture and memories. A lot of people have a negative association with religion for a lot of different reasons, but that doesn't mean these people are not spiritual and would not appreciate meeting other like-minded individuals in a non-judgmental environment.
- vlehto 9y ago
  I think it's deeper than that. Lots of religious people don't go to church. Many who go, do it just because of habit or some personal principle of "I'm church going Christian". Churches are not drawing people in, not even their prime focus group. Despite indoctrinating kids from the crib. The few mega churches that actually work, are obvious scams. Jordan Peterson doesn't go to church because he doesn't feel like the preacher actually believes in jesus. There is something deeply fucked up within Christianity that makes it difficult to sell. I can't put my finger to it.

by Noos 9y ago

remir 9y ago

If chess clubs are dying around the country because people lost interest in chess, that doesn't mean they aren't looking for something else to play. When Jesus spoke about churches (ekklesia), he wasn't referring to a building, an organization or leadership structure or rules. He did not speak about "sunday school", singing songs, or any or that. He was talking about a spontaneous gathering of people who felt "called out of the world to follow him and serve God". It's not like he told his disciples to go ahead and start this "Christian" religion and build the buildings that people would go to every Sunday like clock work. We are the product of culture and memories. A lot of people have a negative association with religion for a lot of different reasons, but that doesn't mean these people are not spiritual and would not appreciate meeting other like-minded individuals in a non-judgmental environment.

vlehto 9y ago
I think it's deeper than that. Lots of religious people don't go to church. Many who go, do it just because of habit or some personal principle of "I'm church going Christian". Churches are not drawing people in, not even their prime focus group. Despite indoctrinating kids from the crib. The few mega churches that actually work, are obvious scams. Jordan Peterson doesn't go to church because he doesn't feel like the preacher actually believes in jesus. There is something deeply fucked up within Christianity that makes it difficult to sell. I can't put my finger to it.