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Right now there's a hearing going on for SB827. Coverage here: https://twitter.com/sfyimby https://twitter.com/sfyimby I hope it passes and California stops

by davidw 9y ago

Right now there's a hearing going on for SB827. Coverage here: https://twitter.com/sfyimby https://twitter.com/sfyimby I hope it passes and California stops exporting quite so much of its housing crisis to Oregon, where I live.

ggg9990 9y ago
What do the CA refugees do for work in Oregon? I thought the demand for housing in CA is because so many high paying jobs are in CA.
- davidw 9y ago
  They retire here. A few work remotely. A few entrepreneurial types actually pitch in and create companies, so it's not all bad, but it'd be nice if people came here because they like it rather than "cheap!"
dgzl 9y ago
As someone who grew up just 30 minutes north of the California border, I also want California to leave its problems at the door. My family (and other locals), who are multi-generational Oregonians, have always had negative bias against Californians, due to problems they bring when they move to Oregon. Anything from advocating more tax avenues or higher taxes, to gentrification, to excessive speeding (Oregon has max speed of 65 in the entire state), to nanny-state type laws. The culture difference between California and the PNW is very different.
- StudentStuff 9y ago
  Why should my neighbor have a lower property tax bill than me? This is a prime cause of the financial issues of municipalities in California, when you buy property, your property tax gets rate capped, incentivizing people to hang onto property and rarely sell.
- davidw 9y ago
  I'm a YIMBY. I'm happy for people to move here if they like it. What dismays me is that it's purely a financial decision because of California's fucked up housing policies.
DataWorker 9y ago
It will just make the problem worse. If you have a tulip bubble, slowing adding tulips to the supply on exacerbates the problem. The solution is to allow the market to disincentivize people from moving here. But that would hurt certain industries and decrease tax revenues that certain groups want to use to do good.
- jamestimmins 9y ago
  No, there are valid concerns about the effectiveness of SB-827, but this is a mischaracterization of the problem and a fundamental misunderstanding of bubbles.
  - DataWorker 9y ago
    How so?

by davidw 9y ago

ggg9990 9y ago

What do the CA refugees do for work in Oregon? I thought the demand for housing in CA is because so many high paying jobs are in CA.

davidw 9y ago
They retire here. A few work remotely. A few entrepreneurial types actually pitch in and create companies, so it's not all bad, but it'd be nice if people came here because they like it rather than "cheap!"

dgzl 9y ago

As someone who grew up just 30 minutes north of the California border, I also want California to leave its problems at the door. My family (and other locals), who are multi-generational Oregonians, have always had negative bias against Californians, due to problems they bring when they move to Oregon. Anything from advocating more tax avenues or higher taxes, to gentrification, to excessive speeding (Oregon has max speed of 65 in the entire state), to nanny-state type laws. The culture difference between California and the PNW is very different.

StudentStuff 9y ago
Why should my neighbor have a lower property tax bill than me? This is a prime cause of the financial issues of municipalities in California, when you buy property, your property tax gets rate capped, incentivizing people to hang onto property and rarely sell.
davidw 9y ago
I'm a YIMBY. I'm happy for people to move here if they like it. What dismays me is that it's purely a financial decision because of California's fucked up housing policies.

DataWorker 9y ago

It will just make the problem worse. If you have a tulip bubble, slowing adding tulips to the supply on exacerbates the problem. The solution is to allow the market to disincentivize people from moving here. But that would hurt certain industries and decrease tax revenues that certain groups want to use to do good.

jamestimmins 9y ago
No, there are valid concerns about the effectiveness of SB-827, but this is a mischaracterization of the problem and a fundamental misunderstanding of bubbles.
- DataWorker 9y ago
  How so?