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Yes. All those countries you have in mind can attempt that and likely already have. The creation of law or precedent in the USA doesn't make it happen elsewhe

Yes. All those countries you have in mind can attempt that and likely already have. The creation of law or precedent in the USA doesn't make it happen elsewhere, nor does not having law or precedent in the USA prevent it elsewhere. This response comes up a lot, and it deserves to be considered more than rhetorically.

marshray 8y ago
> The creation of law or precedent in the USA doesn't make it happen elsewhere, nor does not having law or precedent in the USA prevent it elsewhere. If that were true, I think we in the US wouldn't be hearing so much about the EU GDPR.
- nl 8y ago
  If that were true, I think we in the US wouldn't be hearing so much about the EU GDPR. It's true. That doesn't mean you can ignore other countries laws if you want to do business there. The EU GDPR only applies to companies doing business in the EU. Of course, if you have customers in the EU you do business there under the GDPR definition. You are free to ignore it. Good luck trying to do any other business in the EU after that though.
  - mirimir 8y ago
    There's an important distinction re GPPR: it only applies to commercial entities. LEA is generally exempt:[0] > The European Commission hopes to set an international standard with its upcoming proposal to give police easier access to data from tech companies, and has already asked the United States to cooperate. The US response was the CLOUD Act. 0) https://www.euractiv.com/section/data-protection/news/commission-wants-to-extend-law-for-police-data-access-to-the-us/ https://www.euractiv.com/section/data-protection/news/commis...
girvo 8y ago
The US has an outsized impact on international law, though. What happens in the US, legally, can’t be ignored by other countries. I wish it could be.
JoeAltmaier 8y ago
Opportunity: space-based cloud servers? Microsats that rotate into service every few months as their orbits decay.
- btown 8y ago
  Strong cryptography with steganographic/deniable key storage is much more cost efficient.
  - JoeAltmaier 8y ago
    But it can be seized because its under some national sovereignty. That was the point. And a satellite server can still be keyed and encrypted. In fact, maybe it just has to be a CA/key store.

marshray 8y ago

> The creation of law or precedent in the USA doesn't make it happen elsewhere, nor does not having law or precedent in the USA prevent it elsewhere. If that were true, I think we in the US wouldn't be hearing so much about the EU GDPR.

nl 8y ago
If that were true, I think we in the US wouldn't be hearing so much about the EU GDPR. It's true. That doesn't mean you can ignore other countries laws if you want to do business there. The EU GDPR only applies to companies doing business in the EU. Of course, if you have customers in the EU you do business there under the GDPR definition. You are free to ignore it. Good luck trying to do any other business in the EU after that though.
- mirimir 8y ago
  There's an important distinction re GPPR: it only applies to commercial entities. LEA is generally exempt:[0] > The European Commission hopes to set an international standard with its upcoming proposal to give police easier access to data from tech companies, and has already asked the United States to cooperate. The US response was the CLOUD Act. 0) https://www.euractiv.com/section/data-protection/news/commission-wants-to-extend-law-for-police-data-access-to-the-us/ https://www.euractiv.com/section/data-protection/news/commis...

girvo 8y ago

The US has an outsized impact on international law, though. What happens in the US, legally, can’t be ignored by other countries. I wish it could be.

JoeAltmaier 8y ago

Opportunity: space-based cloud servers? Microsats that rotate into service every few months as their orbits decay.

btown 8y ago
Strong cryptography with steganographic/deniable key storage is much more cost efficient.
- JoeAltmaier 8y ago
  But it can be seized because its under some national sovereignty. That was the point. And a satellite server can still be keyed and encrypted. In fact, maybe it just has to be a CA/key store.