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It is pointless. There are concentration camps in North Korea. What does peace mean for those poor souls?
by atomical 9y ago
It is pointless. There are concentration camps in North Korea. What does peace mean for those poor souls?
- 0xfeba 9y agoI mean, I'm super skeptical we'll be allowed to inspect their nuclear facilities, but if so it would lead to denuclearization, which is a good thing. One step at a time.
- craftyguy 9y agoWhat makes you think the two Koreas will include denuclearization as a condition? That's a largely US thing, and the article does not mention the US being a party to these rumored discussions.
- steego 9y agoWhat do you propose?
- colemannugent 9y agoThe possibility of being reunited with their family in the South perhaps? Or maybe a slow transition away from the dictatorship that created those camps in favor of a democracy? Or even foreign aid once their government is no longer openly hostile? Sure, they can't eat peace, but it's the first step towards healing the peninsula.
- atomical 9y agoDemocracy? You must be joking. What possible benefit could Kim Jong Un receive for making that change?
- toyg 9y agoWhat benefits were gained by DeKlerk dropping Apartheid? Or by the British politicians finally giving up India? Sometimes people just realise they cannot carry on like before. After their silly missile antics, SK is diplomatically isolated (Kim being “recalled” in Beijing a few weeks ago was a big sign that things were in motion). They have escalated as much as they can realistically do, and it went nowhere; so they might as well give up and try other roads. Besides, China has bigger fish to fries with disputed straits etc, so they are probably tired to subsidise the erratic leadership of an impoverished peripheral fiefdom.
- lostmsu 9y agoMaybe he wants to travel :-D
- pluto9 9y agoIt's hard for anyone on the outside (like us) to say, but that doesn't mean there isn't any. What benefit did Than Shwe receive by stepping down as Prime Minister of Burma? That act pretty much ended the military dictatorship that existed there for decades. Strong-man governments do occasionally dissolve themselves voluntarily. Shame it doesn't happen more often, but it does happen.
- tonyjstark 9y agoRome was not built in one day either. Every step in a peaceful future is a good one.
- dang 9y agoPlease don't post unsubstantive comments, especially on divisive topics.
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- dogma1138 9y agoWhat was exactly unsubstantiated in the GPs comment? “Peace” just means an official end to hostilities instead of the current armistice. If the “Peace” does not entail a political restructuring of N. Korea it would just empower the current regime which does operate concentration and forces labor camps and even without those the population of N. Korea lives under some of worse conditions imaginable.
- dang 9y agoI said it was unsubstantive. The combination of tossing off a dismissal and throwing in political flamebait guarantees lame arguments that are always the same. That's what we don't want here. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- atomical 9y agoIt wasn't unsubstantive and generated quite a bit of discussion. Further, the article was political in nature. Feel free to ban me from HN because I will be posting such things again. Thanks.
- dang 9y agoYes, the article being political in nature means that HN commenters need to be more careful about not adding flamebait to the thread, because politicized topics are much more vulnerable to flamewars. The guidelines make this point: "Comments should get more civil and substantive, not less, as a topic gets more divisive." https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html