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You're making a lot of claims that don't make sense. "A large part of 20 somethings use this as their main news source." I'm a 20 something and know quite a f

by mkr-hn 16y ago

You're making a lot of claims that don't make sense. "A large part of 20 somethings use this as their main news source." I'm a 20 something and know quite a few of them. You'd think that if this were true, my group of 50 or so would show at least one who treats TDS as anything more than a comedy show. They may use it as a starting point for stories they didn't know about, but you would be laughed out of the room if you tried to claim any portion of them treated Jon Stewart as a news man. "It often cuts video tapes completely (usually making fun of someone whose ideology differs from that of the viewers), uses video out of context, have interviews under false pretences and does not give fair coverage." Just like a comedy show. Even "news" shows do this, so I don't see why you single out TDS for it. " It must choose, either one or the other – either it is a news show (and should subscribe to journalistic ethics) or it should be a comedy show (and try and involve itself in politics)." Again, why single out TDS? All comedy shows dip into politics, and do a poor job of representing things.

w00pla2 16y ago
> I'm a 20 something and know quite a few of them. Quite a few of my friends view this as a "serious" news show. If you do not believe this, look at any large social site such as Reddit (where the Daily Show is taken as a serious news source). > Just like a comedy show. Of interviews with politicians which they obtained under false pretences? The objective of the Daily Show is to make one ideological grouping laughable. It is inherently a political show that parades as a “quasi-news” show and uses the “comedy show” excuse so that they do not have to show any integrity (journalistic or otherwise). > Again, why single out TDS? All comedy shows dip into politics, and do a poor job of representing things. That is quite debatable. Most “comedy shows” do not dip into politics. If it is, it is mostly human interest (and around election time). The Daily Show also parades around CNN International (a “news network”). Why is it on this channel then? But I guess that this is just how real journalism fades. Papers become bankrupt whilst people read online “news sources” such as Huffington Post or Alternet. News networks like CNN become Twitter Crazy and airs shows like The Daily Show.
- mkr-hn 16y ago
  We're not going to get anywhere with dueling anecdotes. And you're referencing things I don't recall, and I've been watching TDS for years. "But I guess that this is just how real journalism fades. Papers become bankrupt whilst people read online “news sources” such as Huffington Post or Alternet. News networks like CNN become Twitter Crazy and airs shows like The Daily Show." Journalism is doing fine. You're just looking in the wrong places. "Of interviews with politicians which they obtained under false pretences? The objective of the Daily Show is to make one ideological grouping laughable. It is inherently a political show that parades as a “quasi-news” show and uses the “comedy show” excuse so that they do not have to show any integrity (journalistic or otherwise)." You are once again making bold and seemingly ideologically-driven claims that don't reflect my own observations. Can you cite something?
  - w00pla2 16y ago
    > Journalism is doing fine. You're just looking in the wrong places. Nope. Journalism isn’t doing fine. The majority of papers that do good investigative journalism have serious financial problems. > Can you cite something? Here is a good example: Daily Show of 13 July 2010. A large part deals with racism in South Africa and race relations. The author paints a completely wrong picture (of an incredibly difficult and nuanced subject – which involves language and culture rights, economical aspects and poverty, land ownership, illegal immigration, and xenophobia, black economic empowerment, etc…). In that he made a 6 hour interview (under false pretences) with a person with a pretty nuanced view (he only aired snipped parts out of context – his whole interview style was baiting). The whole fucking video pisses me off – it is such a complex subject which he is making light of (and painting a wrong picture). WTF? But yeah, let’s make fun of extremely complex and delicate subjects because our viewers will laugh!
    - mkr-hn 16y ago
      "Nope. Journalism isn’t doing fine. The majority of papers that do good investigative journalism have serious financial problems." I did say you were looking in the wrong places. You said you weren't in the US, so I wouldn't expect you to know about what local and regional papers do. Journalism does exist, but you have to go to the locals to find it. By narrowing their focus, they're able to limit the costs. They have one beat, and it's usually in their own neighborhood. "Here is a good example: Daily Show of 13 July 2010. A large part deals with racism in South Africa and race relations. The author paints a completely wrong picture (of an incredibly difficult and nuanced subject – which involves language and culture rights, economical aspects and poverty, land ownership, illegal immigration, and xenophobia, black economic empowerment, etc…)." I can't find any reference to that day's episode or the clip you mention. Can you be more specific by providing a link?

by mkr-hn 16y ago

w00pla2 16y ago

> I'm a 20 something and know quite a few of them. Quite a few of my friends view this as a "serious" news show. If you do not believe this, look at any large social site such as Reddit (where the Daily Show is taken as a serious news source). > Just like a comedy show. Of interviews with politicians which they obtained under false pretences? The objective of the Daily Show is to make one ideological grouping laughable. It is inherently a political show that parades as a “quasi-news” show and uses the “comedy show” excuse so that they do not have to show any integrity (journalistic or otherwise). > Again, why single out TDS? All comedy shows dip into politics, and do a poor job of representing things. That is quite debatable. Most “comedy shows” do not dip into politics. If it is, it is mostly human interest (and around election time). The Daily Show also parades around CNN International (a “news network”). Why is it on this channel then? But I guess that this is just how real journalism fades. Papers become bankrupt whilst people read online “news sources” such as Huffington Post or Alternet. News networks like CNN become Twitter Crazy and airs shows like The Daily Show.

mkr-hn 16y ago
We're not going to get anywhere with dueling anecdotes. And you're referencing things I don't recall, and I've been watching TDS for years. "But I guess that this is just how real journalism fades. Papers become bankrupt whilst people read online “news sources” such as Huffington Post or Alternet. News networks like CNN become Twitter Crazy and airs shows like The Daily Show." Journalism is doing fine. You're just looking in the wrong places. "Of interviews with politicians which they obtained under false pretences? The objective of the Daily Show is to make one ideological grouping laughable. It is inherently a political show that parades as a “quasi-news” show and uses the “comedy show” excuse so that they do not have to show any integrity (journalistic or otherwise)." You are once again making bold and seemingly ideologically-driven claims that don't reflect my own observations. Can you cite something?
- w00pla2 16y ago
  > Journalism is doing fine. You're just looking in the wrong places. Nope. Journalism isn’t doing fine. The majority of papers that do good investigative journalism have serious financial problems. > Can you cite something? Here is a good example: Daily Show of 13 July 2010. A large part deals with racism in South Africa and race relations. The author paints a completely wrong picture (of an incredibly difficult and nuanced subject – which involves language and culture rights, economical aspects and poverty, land ownership, illegal immigration, and xenophobia, black economic empowerment, etc…). In that he made a 6 hour interview (under false pretences) with a person with a pretty nuanced view (he only aired snipped parts out of context – his whole interview style was baiting). The whole fucking video pisses me off – it is such a complex subject which he is making light of (and painting a wrong picture). WTF? But yeah, let’s make fun of extremely complex and delicate subjects because our viewers will laugh!
  - mkr-hn 16y ago
    "Nope. Journalism isn’t doing fine. The majority of papers that do good investigative journalism have serious financial problems." I did say you were looking in the wrong places. You said you weren't in the US, so I wouldn't expect you to know about what local and regional papers do. Journalism does exist, but you have to go to the locals to find it. By narrowing their focus, they're able to limit the costs. They have one beat, and it's usually in their own neighborhood. "Here is a good example: Daily Show of 13 July 2010. A large part deals with racism in South Africa and race relations. The author paints a completely wrong picture (of an incredibly difficult and nuanced subject – which involves language and culture rights, economical aspects and poverty, land ownership, illegal immigration, and xenophobia, black economic empowerment, etc…)." I can't find any reference to that day's episode or the clip you mention. Can you be more specific by providing a link?