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"I was really struck by this last week, when Mark Zuckerberg came through Washington. Most of the questions he faced at the congressional hearings and most of t

"I was really struck by this last week, when Mark Zuckerberg came through Washington. Most of the questions he faced at the congressional hearings and most of the analysis in the press were about Facebook’s failure to protect privacy. That’s the sort of thing that may be uppermost on your mind if you are socially wealthy, if, like most successful politicians and analysts, you live within a thick web of connection and feel as if your social schedule is too full." Or you know, because they were there to discuss privacy and not try to regulate away loneliness, which obviously isn't the role of the government anyway.

chongli 9y ago
If it's not the role of government to solve problems that are tearing apart the fabric of society, then whose role is it? Who is going to do it? Maybe no one. Maybe we're all screwed.
- fogzen 9y ago
  Here’s a radical idea: don’t use Facebook if it makes you feel bad!
  - daodedickinson 9y ago
    Quitting Facebook doesn't cure the social bankruptcy, though. The only cures seem to be joining cults and gangs and militaries and other groups with high costs and low standards.
    - steve_musk 9y ago
      Yeah those are the only cures... Or you know, get off the internet and make some friends in real life.
      - tangent128 9y ago
        Easier said than done. The people who know where in meatspace they could expect to regularly meet people who share interests... tend to be the people who don't have loneliness problems. "Go make some friends" is too vague for somebody who does not already have a bootstrapped social circle.
    - Jtsummers 9y ago
      You develop social capital by fostering relationships with other people. By being responsible, and having positive interactions. You'll develop that capital not just with them, but also with the people around you and them. If you have a positive relationship with someone, and they think well of you, then their friends and family and colleagues will accept their voucher (assuming they have a positive relationship with those people). You want to do this starting from zero? I've done it, though not with the intent of developing social capital. I was just tired of being lonely. Seek out people to do things with. I started attending mass again. I went to Bible studies. I joined a soccer team (I sucked at soccer, still do). I went to movies and dinners with people. When they invited me to an event, I'd say yes unless I really had something else to do (could legit be cleaning the apartment, but usually meant travel or work or obligations to other people). Be responsible, be honest. When they invite you and you say yes, you show up. Do not be a flake. You will get a reputation as a flake and your social capital will go down the drain. As you meet more people, foster deeper friendships and connections with those who it makes sense to. Do not force it. Several people I met this way had very similar technical interests to me, we developed a stronger connection over that and I got a new job. Others have similar academic or travel or other interests, and we connected over that. Others, we just have mutual respect for each other and cared about the other's wellbeing. Take charge. Initiate and plan events. Doesn't have to be all of them, but some of them. Don't drop a hint, "Wouldn't it be fun to go to the beer festival this weekend?". Send out the invitation, do the planning. Set the times. People show or the don't. Start doing this, they'll start showing. And when they don't, let it flow over you. Don't take it as a personal rejection (even if you may not it to be that). Enjoy the day, and meet people at the event. Over time this becomes more natural if it feels weird at the start. And don't think about it from a social capital perspective. Just focus on the doing things with other people, especially things you enjoy, aspect. And once you have the initial circle, especially if you take ownership of it by leading the call to gather and do things together, it'll expand. People will bring in people from their other social circles. Some will stick around, some won't. Merge your various circles. I have colleagues and friends, I invite both to movies and things. This moves people from the "associate" or "acquaintance" categories to the "friend" category when we hit it off. Sometimes they bring people and those are the ones I connect with.
      - 9y ago
- oh_sigh 9y ago
  "The community"? Government is just one highly formal portion of the larger community.
- malvosenior 9y ago
  It's the individual's role to take care of their own mental health. No one is forcing anyone to use FB or Instagram. If it makes you feel bad, stop.
- jerf 9y ago
  "If it's not the role of government to solve problems that are tearing apart the fabric of society, then whose role is it?" Society, and the individuals who make up society, which is a great deal more than "government". Solving social isolation by having the men-with-guns order you to do things seems likely to lead to more social isolation rather than less.
- psyc 9y ago
  The individual.
- AnimalMuppet 9y ago
  The US is a country that tries to have a limited government. In that view, not all problems are the government's to solve.
rifung 9y ago
Why isn't it the role of the government to prevent loneliness if it's a serious issue? How is it any different from preventing disease?
- malvosenior 9y ago
  Because it's deeply within the realm of personal responsibility. Look at the failure that is the war on drugs. You can't legislate behavior.
  - crdoconnor 9y ago
    The war on drugs was never about legislating behavior. It was about criminalizing "undesirables" (blacks, hippies, etc.).
    - malvosenior 9y ago
      Regardless of the reason they did it, the end result was the same: failure to regulate behavior.
      - laughingman2 9y ago
        One can argue that the end result for the reason they did it is a resounding success. So their strategy was not focused in regulating behavior.
      - evanwise 9y ago
        The war on drugs has been a resounding success at it's principle functions (none of which have anything to do with controlling drug use behavior). It helps maintain a permanent underclass which applies a downward pressure on wages via prison slave labor, allows the ruling class to more effectively criminalize dissent and propagandize against subversive groups, and provides an excuse to continue to militarize the police force.
        JoeAltmaier 9y ago

chongli 9y ago

If it's not the role of government to solve problems that are tearing apart the fabric of society, then whose role is it? Who is going to do it? Maybe no one. Maybe we're all screwed.

fogzen 9y ago
Here’s a radical idea: don’t use Facebook if it makes you feel bad!
- daodedickinson 9y ago
  Quitting Facebook doesn't cure the social bankruptcy, though. The only cures seem to be joining cults and gangs and militaries and other groups with high costs and low standards.
  - steve_musk 9y ago
    Yeah those are the only cures... Or you know, get off the internet and make some friends in real life.
    - tangent128 9y ago
      Easier said than done. The people who know where in meatspace they could expect to regularly meet people who share interests... tend to be the people who don't have loneliness problems. "Go make some friends" is too vague for somebody who does not already have a bootstrapped social circle.
  - Jtsummers 9y ago
    You develop social capital by fostering relationships with other people. By being responsible, and having positive interactions. You'll develop that capital not just with them, but also with the people around you and them. If you have a positive relationship with someone, and they think well of you, then their friends and family and colleagues will accept their voucher (assuming they have a positive relationship with those people). You want to do this starting from zero? I've done it, though not with the intent of developing social capital. I was just tired of being lonely. Seek out people to do things with. I started attending mass again. I went to Bible studies. I joined a soccer team (I sucked at soccer, still do). I went to movies and dinners with people. When they invited me to an event, I'd say yes unless I really had something else to do (could legit be cleaning the apartment, but usually meant travel or work or obligations to other people). Be responsible, be honest. When they invite you and you say yes, you show up. Do not be a flake. You will get a reputation as a flake and your social capital will go down the drain. As you meet more people, foster deeper friendships and connections with those who it makes sense to. Do not force it. Several people I met this way had very similar technical interests to me, we developed a stronger connection over that and I got a new job. Others have similar academic or travel or other interests, and we connected over that. Others, we just have mutual respect for each other and cared about the other's wellbeing. Take charge. Initiate and plan events. Doesn't have to be all of them, but some of them. Don't drop a hint, "Wouldn't it be fun to go to the beer festival this weekend?". Send out the invitation, do the planning. Set the times. People show or the don't. Start doing this, they'll start showing. And when they don't, let it flow over you. Don't take it as a personal rejection (even if you may not it to be that). Enjoy the day, and meet people at the event. Over time this becomes more natural if it feels weird at the start. And don't think about it from a social capital perspective. Just focus on the doing things with other people, especially things you enjoy, aspect. And once you have the initial circle, especially if you take ownership of it by leading the call to gather and do things together, it'll expand. People will bring in people from their other social circles. Some will stick around, some won't. Merge your various circles. I have colleagues and friends, I invite both to movies and things. This moves people from the "associate" or "acquaintance" categories to the "friend" category when we hit it off. Sometimes they bring people and those are the ones I connect with.
    - 9y ago
oh_sigh 9y ago
"The community"? Government is just one highly formal portion of the larger community.
malvosenior 9y ago
It's the individual's role to take care of their own mental health. No one is forcing anyone to use FB or Instagram. If it makes you feel bad, stop.
jerf 9y ago
"If it's not the role of government to solve problems that are tearing apart the fabric of society, then whose role is it?" Society, and the individuals who make up society, which is a great deal more than "government". Solving social isolation by having the men-with-guns order you to do things seems likely to lead to more social isolation rather than less.
psyc 9y ago
The individual.
AnimalMuppet 9y ago
The US is a country that tries to have a limited government. In that view, not all problems are the government's to solve.

rifung 9y ago

Why isn't it the role of the government to prevent loneliness if it's a serious issue? How is it any different from preventing disease?

malvosenior 9y ago
Because it's deeply within the realm of personal responsibility. Look at the failure that is the war on drugs. You can't legislate behavior.
- crdoconnor 9y ago
  The war on drugs was never about legislating behavior. It was about criminalizing "undesirables" (blacks, hippies, etc.).
  - malvosenior 9y ago
    Regardless of the reason they did it, the end result was the same: failure to regulate behavior.
    - laughingman2 9y ago
      One can argue that the end result for the reason they did it is a resounding success. So their strategy was not focused in regulating behavior.
    - evanwise 9y ago
      The war on drugs has been a resounding success at it's principle functions (none of which have anything to do with controlling drug use behavior). It helps maintain a permanent underclass which applies a downward pressure on wages via prison slave labor, allows the ruling class to more effectively criminalize dissent and propagandize against subversive groups, and provides an excuse to continue to militarize the police force.
      - JoeAltmaier 9y ago