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These are the lowest prices I have seen. Is this new? Surprised not have heard of this before.

by projectramo 9y ago

dx034 9y ago
I think they're close to a year old. Still more expensive than Hetzner though?
- projectramo 9y ago
  You're right. I wish Hetzner didn't require an ID because they're cheap and (allegedly) performant. I wonder if serverpilot etc will work equally well with these guys.
- dx034 9y ago
  @projectramo (cannot reply to that): I have very good experience with Hetzner, speed is very good even if you ignore prices, considering the price it's by far the best I've used. I still have backups at other providers but switched to only using them for everything I do, saved me a lot of money. I already had an account so didn't need to provide ID but wouldn't see that as a deal breaker. You'd need to pay with credit card anyway so they'll get your name sooner or later. And it has helped with the spam problem they apparently used to have (for a while a lot of their IPs were on blacklists).
  - projectramo 9y ago
    I am not mad at them for asking for my ID, but in the US that is (in my opinion) the big sign of intrusiveness. When they want to scare people, they say "the police will start asking ordinary citizens for ID". Its a huge deal when the pharmacist asks for ID for a controlled substance. And add to that the privacy culture here (on HN and in tech circles). I would rather pay a few extra bucks for now. But if they dropped the requirement I would use it. I bet I am not alone and there are many others who feel the same.
    - dx034 9y ago
      I think that's down to cultural differences. In Germany, everyone has an ID and you need your ID to open any bank account or even as proof of age. Showing your ID to someone is just confirming who you are. In other countries (esp UK, US) that's very different. So asking for ID is not very intrusive for Hetzner (as they're German) but it's perceived very different by others.
      - projectramo 9y ago
        I agree (although in the US, ID is used for bank accounts and proof of age). I wonder if it would feel different if they didn't ask for a copy of the ID, but just had someone look at it. I think it also feels different because no one else asks for it (VULTR, AWS, Dig Ocean, etc) Also a drivers license feels less intrusive (for whatever reason) than a passport, and I believe for foreigners they want a passport.
      - skykooler 9y ago
        I remember being surprised when visiting Germany that a passport was required to get a prepaid SIM card.
      - gowld 9y ago
        Ironically, German history is the reason why Americans are wary of National ID cards. USA uses ID cards for banking and employment though.
        isostatic 9y ago
        The US seems to uses SSN everywhere. The problem isn't necessarily a national ID card (after all most people have driving licenses, passports, etc). The problem is the data that's all linked and available to governments. In today's world, where facebook knows far more than any government can, heroes like René Carmille become more and more important.
- chrisper 9y ago
  Hetzner has pretty bad peering imho. I was trying to use IPSec but it was impossible because at peak times UDP packets got dropped making my latency go into 200ms.
- rando444 9y ago
  I tried Hetzner based on other people mentioning it on HN. Total disaster. They managed to erase my entire environment, not have any way to recover anything, and once my case got escalated within their company the responses I received were the most unprofessional communications I've received in my career. Honestly, I am amazed that this is a German company at all. You usually expect Germans to be more organized.. but I guess no matter where you go, the old saying is true: you get what you pay for.

These are the lowest prices I have seen. Is this new? Surprised not have heard of this before.

dx034 9y ago

I think they're close to a year old. Still more expensive than Hetzner though?

projectramo 9y ago
You're right. I wish Hetzner didn't require an ID because they're cheap and (allegedly) performant. I wonder if serverpilot etc will work equally well with these guys.
dx034 9y ago
@projectramo (cannot reply to that): I have very good experience with Hetzner, speed is very good even if you ignore prices, considering the price it's by far the best I've used. I still have backups at other providers but switched to only using them for everything I do, saved me a lot of money. I already had an account so didn't need to provide ID but wouldn't see that as a deal breaker. You'd need to pay with credit card anyway so they'll get your name sooner or later. And it has helped with the spam problem they apparently used to have (for a while a lot of their IPs were on blacklists).
- projectramo 9y ago
  I am not mad at them for asking for my ID, but in the US that is (in my opinion) the big sign of intrusiveness. When they want to scare people, they say "the police will start asking ordinary citizens for ID". Its a huge deal when the pharmacist asks for ID for a controlled substance. And add to that the privacy culture here (on HN and in tech circles). I would rather pay a few extra bucks for now. But if they dropped the requirement I would use it. I bet I am not alone and there are many others who feel the same.
  - dx034 9y ago
    I think that's down to cultural differences. In Germany, everyone has an ID and you need your ID to open any bank account or even as proof of age. Showing your ID to someone is just confirming who you are. In other countries (esp UK, US) that's very different. So asking for ID is not very intrusive for Hetzner (as they're German) but it's perceived very different by others.
    - projectramo 9y ago
      I agree (although in the US, ID is used for bank accounts and proof of age). I wonder if it would feel different if they didn't ask for a copy of the ID, but just had someone look at it. I think it also feels different because no one else asks for it (VULTR, AWS, Dig Ocean, etc) Also a drivers license feels less intrusive (for whatever reason) than a passport, and I believe for foreigners they want a passport.
    - skykooler 9y ago
      I remember being surprised when visiting Germany that a passport was required to get a prepaid SIM card.
    - gowld 9y ago
      Ironically, German history is the reason why Americans are wary of National ID cards. USA uses ID cards for banking and employment though.
      - isostatic 9y ago
        The US seems to uses SSN everywhere. The problem isn't necessarily a national ID card (after all most people have driving licenses, passports, etc). The problem is the data that's all linked and available to governments. In today's world, where facebook knows far more than any government can, heroes like René Carmille become more and more important.
chrisper 9y ago
Hetzner has pretty bad peering imho. I was trying to use IPSec but it was impossible because at peak times UDP packets got dropped making my latency go into 200ms.
rando444 9y ago
I tried Hetzner based on other people mentioning it on HN. Total disaster. They managed to erase my entire environment, not have any way to recover anything, and once my case got escalated within their company the responses I received were the most unprofessional communications I've received in my career. Honestly, I am amazed that this is a German company at all. You usually expect Germans to be more organized.. but I guess no matter where you go, the old saying is true: you get what you pay for.