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Left wing and right wing in my head has always been ivory tower speak, if one is to define left wing and right wing, one would always get distinct definitions.

Left wing and right wing in my head has always been ivory tower speak, if one is to define left wing and right wing, one would always get distinct definitions. However if one was to rely on the right or left wings for living reasons, or for work or for any realistic situation, one would be hard-pressed to survive, thus left or right wing is only a perspective adopted by those with time as even your average hardworking white-collar investment banker has no time to play in politics. Economics in its original state is not meant to be tainted by politics (this you can find online) as economy tainted with politics is biased and true economists dont follow party lines.

kiliantics 8y ago
Sorry, but this is just nonsense. And it's the kind of nonsense that we are being taught to believe for a reason. 100 years ago, almost every worker, down to the most menial of labourers, did care about "left vs right". These kind of talking points that tell hardworking people they don't have to care about politics is exactly why hardworking people aren't forming unions and have been getting the shit end of the stick in society for the last few decades. The personal is political and politics has everything to do with living conditions. It's easy for people in cushy programming jobs to pretend that politics and work are separate. But when politicians can set your minimum wage, your benefits, and other workplace conditions, it becomes an important factor that isn't just "academic".
- forkLding 8y ago
  Saying you are left wing or saying you are right wing wont get you a job is my summarization, its interesting dinner talk. I cant directly survive on left or right wing politics unless Im a political commentator but you're right in that I'm indirectly affected. Its almost like religion, just because I'm Christian doesnt put food on my table but Christianity affects the culture and society I'm in but I have to be a programmer to actually get a job that pays. You cant apply to jobs saying you're right wing or left wing, all in all people overestimate the 'wings' for their own life. What I hate about modern politics is that people treat it almost like religion, and never question decisions just because its in their own party lines and to follow their party leaders. Left wing, liberals, right wings, or conservative, these are just titles now, but can be fought like Christians and Muslims in the Crusades. Politics isnt blindly following a doctrine or a party like a religion, if people lose the ability to question their own leaders' decisions and instead just faithfully follow, what is the point of separating church from state.
  - kiliantics 8y ago
    I don't think politics is about party allegiances. I think politics is about caring which dynamics your society operates with and taking whatever actions you can to influence them. Many conflate this with voting for parties but that is only one way of taking action out of many. Sure, it's similar to religion in that your desired social structure depends on your adopted ideology. But, whether you think it or not, you have an ideology - you can't not have one. My argument is that, if you don't act, you are effectively siding with the dominant ideology of the current social structure. Being comfortable with the current structure, whether or not you agree with it, is something only pretty well off people can afford to do. Most of us won't fight to end the wars and the wars won't have any impact on our lives, while many people's lives will be utterly ruined by them. Many others may not necessarily act against the structure they disagree with, even if they are not well off, but this is thanks to a culture which tends to make it impossible for them. Bringing politics into the workplace can get you fired in a lot of places, and there's a good reason why that's the case. We should not be cheering it on. "Saying you are left wing or saying you are right wing wont get you a job" This is usually true, but saying it can get you fired (or not hired in the first place), and this is a problem. Workers could end wars if they were political in the workplace, as they have in the past. We need to acknowledge that power and prevent it from being suppressed.
    - forkLding 8y ago
      My argument is that people are fighting too much on left and right wing lines. Saying you are left wing or right wing can now be accepted as the distinction of right and wrong, then there is no point of political discussion, as a title puts you in either the right and wrong.

kiliantics 8y ago

Sorry, but this is just nonsense. And it's the kind of nonsense that we are being taught to believe for a reason. 100 years ago, almost every worker, down to the most menial of labourers, did care about "left vs right". These kind of talking points that tell hardworking people they don't have to care about politics is exactly why hardworking people aren't forming unions and have been getting the shit end of the stick in society for the last few decades. The personal is political and politics has everything to do with living conditions. It's easy for people in cushy programming jobs to pretend that politics and work are separate. But when politicians can set your minimum wage, your benefits, and other workplace conditions, it becomes an important factor that isn't just "academic".

forkLding 8y ago
Saying you are left wing or saying you are right wing wont get you a job is my summarization, its interesting dinner talk. I cant directly survive on left or right wing politics unless Im a political commentator but you're right in that I'm indirectly affected. Its almost like religion, just because I'm Christian doesnt put food on my table but Christianity affects the culture and society I'm in but I have to be a programmer to actually get a job that pays. You cant apply to jobs saying you're right wing or left wing, all in all people overestimate the 'wings' for their own life. What I hate about modern politics is that people treat it almost like religion, and never question decisions just because its in their own party lines and to follow their party leaders. Left wing, liberals, right wings, or conservative, these are just titles now, but can be fought like Christians and Muslims in the Crusades. Politics isnt blindly following a doctrine or a party like a religion, if people lose the ability to question their own leaders' decisions and instead just faithfully follow, what is the point of separating church from state.
- kiliantics 8y ago
  I don't think politics is about party allegiances. I think politics is about caring which dynamics your society operates with and taking whatever actions you can to influence them. Many conflate this with voting for parties but that is only one way of taking action out of many. Sure, it's similar to religion in that your desired social structure depends on your adopted ideology. But, whether you think it or not, you have an ideology - you can't not have one. My argument is that, if you don't act, you are effectively siding with the dominant ideology of the current social structure. Being comfortable with the current structure, whether or not you agree with it, is something only pretty well off people can afford to do. Most of us won't fight to end the wars and the wars won't have any impact on our lives, while many people's lives will be utterly ruined by them. Many others may not necessarily act against the structure they disagree with, even if they are not well off, but this is thanks to a culture which tends to make it impossible for them. Bringing politics into the workplace can get you fired in a lot of places, and there's a good reason why that's the case. We should not be cheering it on. "Saying you are left wing or saying you are right wing wont get you a job" This is usually true, but saying it can get you fired (or not hired in the first place), and this is a problem. Workers could end wars if they were political in the workplace, as they have in the past. We need to acknowledge that power and prevent it from being suppressed.
  - forkLding 8y ago
    My argument is that people are fighting too much on left and right wing lines. Saying you are left wing or right wing can now be accepted as the distinction of right and wrong, then there is no point of political discussion, as a title puts you in either the right and wrong.