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Is there a way to oppose homophobia while still upholding family values (eg: eschew promiscuity and instead take one partner for life)?

• ethbro 8y ago
  Generalizing the gay club scene to all gay people is like generalizing Panama City Spring Break to all straight people.
  • ihsw2 8y ago
    To be quite honest, it is accurate. Show me a homosexual that decries promiscuous lifestyles and drug use and I will show you a unicorn. Show me a person that advocates for gay rights while decrying promiscuity and I will show you ten unicorns.
    • ethbro 8y ago
      I can count 5 of my friends in the former category, and 6 in the latter, just off the top of my head. Do you have many gay friends?
    • ShowMeUnicorns 8y ago
      Hey, just made an account to say I'm one of those, and I have several gay friends who are in the same ship. Gay men being promiscuous is just a shitty stereotype that's as baseless as it is persistent How about you take a look at any of the studies that have debunked it? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1783788 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1783788
• matthewmacleod 8y ago
  They're two entirely orthogonal issues. You can find homophobia repellent, and believe that promiscuity is bad, and there's nothing stopping that. Why would there be?
  • ihsw2 8y ago
    Every person that advocates for gay rights abjectly refuses on a basic level to find promiscuity bad. Until these mythical people form the majority of gay rights advocates, homosexuality will continue to be regarded as dangerous to harmonious society.
    • matthewmacleod 8y ago
      That’s just not true for several reasons. First off, your statement is false. There are quite literally millions of people globally who both support gay rights and do not think promiscuity is good. You might be confusing “finding promiscuity bad” with “condemning promiscuity”, which are obviously two distinct concepts. Even if they were considered the same, it’s still obviously not true. Second, it’s clear that—generally speaking—developed western societies no longer “regard homosexuality as dangerous to harmonious society”. Otherwise there would obviously not be widespread support for same-sex marriage. That feeling isn’t universal yet, but it’s unlikely to be terribly long until society generally stops worrying about it.
    • StellarTabi 8y ago
      > Every person that advocates for gay rights abjectly refuses on a basic level to find promiscuity bad. Why should they even consider it? Their opponents usually dishonestly represent homosexuality as one of the worst forms of promiscuity (by the volume of their concerns, worse than nymphomania, cheating, pedophilia, fetish addiction, polygamy, etc.). The answer to promiscuity is 1. Non of your business, 2. education.
• Pinckney 8y ago
  Why should I care about looking respectable to a bunch of bible-thumpers who've spent the last decades loudly screaming about how much they hate me and everyone like me?
  • ihsw2 8y ago
    Homosexuality and promiscuity are closely intertwined, my argument is that they must be disentangled for homosexuality to be generally acceptable. More to the point, a homosexual that adheres to traditional family values (ie: one partner for life, moderate sobriety, responsible adult) is much more appealing than one that exists outside of traditional family values (ie: promiscuous, heavy drug and alcohol use, other irresponsible behavior). In this instance (and numerous others), the basis of opposition to homosexuality is that acceptance invites degeneracy and destruction of harmonious society.
    • sterlind 8y ago
      So you've never had premarital sex? Do you think a majority of Americans have not had premarital sex? The average American has 7.2 sexual partners over their lifetime. [1] 1. https://www.refinery29.com/2017/08/169555/average-numbers-sexual-partners https://www.refinery29.com/2017/08/169555/average-numbers-se...
    • StellarTabi 8y ago
      Ignoring the shameless use of numerous bigoted stereotypes... > Homosexuality and promiscuity are closely intertwined, my argument is that they must be disentangled for homosexuality to be generally acceptable. So why don't you quit entangling them? The only reason homosexuality and sex positivity are entangled is because of the thousands of years of murdering homosexuals, oppression of women, oppression of polyamorous, etc.. the thing they have in common seems to be a series of hateful bedroom laws enacted by a wannabe theocracy.