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And they also ordered Apple and Google to remove the app from their stores. I understand there are workarounds, but I'd really like them to respond with "f*ck y
by y_molodtsov 8y ago
And they also ordered Apple and Google to remove the app from their stores. I understand there are workarounds, but I'd really like them to respond with "f*ck yourself". It's a shame they won't do that, though.
- nrser 8y agoWhether they respond with process and patience or not, I’m hard pressed to think of powerful states that abide “f*ck yourself” once they’ve started to think national interest/security.
- patrickaljord 8y ago> they’ve started to think national interest/security More like Putin's interest/security.
- p2t2p 8y agoFinally! As a Russian who immigrated recently I’m endlessly tired of Russia this, Russia that. There is no Russia. There is Putin and Putin only.
- konart 8y agoPutin is just a face of FSB. You or they can remove him any time - nothing will change simply because of this.
- y_molodtsov 8y agoIt definitely change, although I can't say to which direction. He makes the system legitimate, so any successor would have either to be more open and earn some political trust in a normal process or just close the country even more (deploy martial laws, etc.)
- cornholio 8y agoAnd here is another yet problem with walled gardens. It creates a single failure point because Apple and Google are forced to comply with local law, regardless of how absurd it is, if they want to continue doing business there. In an open environment, you would simply change the mirror urls and run apt-get update.
- jstanley 8y agoThe Telegram client is available on F-Droid, so you can still use it even if you opt-out of the walled garden.
- BubuIIC 8y agoUnfortunately Telegram-FOSS from F-Droid doens't have GCM support so won't be notified about DC updates via push messages. I this particular case the centralization around the push service of google actually helps.
- pmlnr 8y agoDC updates via push messages? Isn't this what's DNS is for in the first place?
- madez 8y ago> I this particular case the centralization around the push service of google actually helps. No, it does not, and you even argued why. This centralization makes it harder to make the system more resilient. We need an alternative to GCM.
- BubuIIC 8y agoI'd argue that in this case the centralization helps because blocking GCM would kill all notifications for all apps. As long as they (Russia) are not willing to do that Telegram can use this as a side-channel to update their IPs for all clients. The other option would be for google to turn push notifications off selectively for Telegram and only in russia. Not sure if they can/will do that.