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Wow. You are either willfully ignorant at best or deliverately spreading false info at worst. Musk's Tesla package is performance based. He only get 'paid' by

by pavs 8y ago

Wow. You are either willfully ignorant at best or deliverately spreading false info at worst. Musk's Tesla package is performance based. He only get 'paid' by stock if he meets some ridiculously hard performance benchmark (ie, literally have to make Tesla the the most valuable company in the world). Not only that we won't get stock options if he doesnt meet those goals, he can't sell stock for a long period of time to make sure the stock valuation is not a temp spike. Also he doesnt get paid a single penny even if tesla stock performs somewhat better or even stays the same.

afterburner 8y ago
You kinda missed the main point. Musk's business is focused entirely on improving existing, proven, old technologies.
- kd5bjo 8y ago
  Like digging tunnels under populated areas to make new rights-of-way?
- simonh 8y ago
  That's a very narrow, opinionated restriction of the term technology, but accepting it for the sake of argument, isn't that what Engineers do?
  - afterburner 8y ago
    Engineers do all kinds of things, including wild leaps in technology. However, what he's actually done is make slightly better rockets and slightly better electric cars. He's not working on hyperloop, he's working on the more certain stuff.
- throwaway84742 8y ago
  Not entirely. He has delivered a number of “firsts”, such as rockets that land upright, and is about to deliver more: the satellite internet business will operate a constellation of satellites that is vastly larger than all satellites currently in orbit. This means they can only be automatically controlled. Frankly, even just delivering one innovation of this magnitude is impressive, being able to do it again and again deserves respect and admiration.
  - rohit2412 8y ago
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDonnell_Douglas_DC-X https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDonnell_Douglas_DC-X Wait satellite internet business is new? What have you been smoking? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satellite_Internet_access https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satellite_Internet_access
    - throwaway84742 8y ago
      Satellite internet is not new. Flying and controlling thousands of satellites most definitely is new, however.
      - rohit2412 8y ago
        Viaweb, oneweb etc do this. And it may be an operational challenge, not nothing revolutionary
        throwaway84742 8y ago
        Nobody flies thousands of satellites right now. There are about 1200 satellites in orbit _total_. And nobody controls their satellite constellations fully automatically. And even if OneWeb does end up launching its constellation, this is only viable with a reusable rocket fleet which is manufactured and operated by their main competitor. So I’m skeptical.
  - Gravityloss 8y ago
    DC-X was a nineties rocket that flew and landed on its tail. It was not orbital though. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JzXcTFfV3Ls https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JzXcTFfV3Ls
    - throwaway84742 8y ago
      All right. “Orbital rockets that land upright”. Better now?

by pavs 8y ago

afterburner 8y ago

You kinda missed the main point. Musk's business is focused entirely on improving existing, proven, old technologies.

kd5bjo 8y ago
Like digging tunnels under populated areas to make new rights-of-way?
simonh 8y ago
That's a very narrow, opinionated restriction of the term technology, but accepting it for the sake of argument, isn't that what Engineers do?
- afterburner 8y ago
  Engineers do all kinds of things, including wild leaps in technology. However, what he's actually done is make slightly better rockets and slightly better electric cars. He's not working on hyperloop, he's working on the more certain stuff.
throwaway84742 8y ago
Not entirely. He has delivered a number of “firsts”, such as rockets that land upright, and is about to deliver more: the satellite internet business will operate a constellation of satellites that is vastly larger than all satellites currently in orbit. This means they can only be automatically controlled. Frankly, even just delivering one innovation of this magnitude is impressive, being able to do it again and again deserves respect and admiration.
- rohit2412 8y ago
  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDonnell_Douglas_DC-X https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDonnell_Douglas_DC-X Wait satellite internet business is new? What have you been smoking? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satellite_Internet_access https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satellite_Internet_access
  - throwaway84742 8y ago
    Satellite internet is not new. Flying and controlling thousands of satellites most definitely is new, however.
    - rohit2412 8y ago
      Viaweb, oneweb etc do this. And it may be an operational challenge, not nothing revolutionary
      - throwaway84742 8y ago
        Nobody flies thousands of satellites right now. There are about 1200 satellites in orbit _total_. And nobody controls their satellite constellations fully automatically. And even if OneWeb does end up launching its constellation, this is only viable with a reusable rocket fleet which is manufactured and operated by their main competitor. So I’m skeptical.
- Gravityloss 8y ago
  DC-X was a nineties rocket that flew and landed on its tail. It was not orbital though. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JzXcTFfV3Ls https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JzXcTFfV3Ls
  - throwaway84742 8y ago
    All right. “Orbital rockets that land upright”. Better now?