Also, been a fun chat. But I think these things could be so much more civil if folks (on any side of any issue) would lay off the straw men. There's no need for

Also, been a fun chat. But I think these things could be so much more civil if folks (on any side of any issue) would lay off the straw men. There's no need for that nonsense. It may make debate easier, but we should really be able to defend either side of any issue, within reason. Failing to be able to do so probably means you're not really considering the other person's point of view. And if you don't do this how would you ever expect to convince anybody of anything?