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I'm confused on why a launch with proper permits and communication with the city would change the situation. All the same complaints about clutter, bad riders,

by dexwiz 9y ago

I'm confused on why a launch with proper permits and communication with the city would change the situation. All the same complaints about clutter, bad riders, and sidewalk/road disruption would still be valid. The idea of an "ownernless" vehicle is flawed. They seem cheap, and so they are a treated like trash. Only if the companies picked them everyday to charge, repair, and redistributed would this work. That maygive them some intrinsic value, and people might respect them enough to not properly park and care for them. However, this is not the case. No one wants a business whose model is to litter the city with trash.

mattlong 9y ago
What evidence do you have that people tend to treat them as trash? While I'm not sure how often Jump services/replaces their fleet, the few I've used and the many I've seen around SF have all worked great/looked to be in good condition over the past few months. Also, I've definitely seen vans redistributing Jump bikes around town. I fully expect Bird/Spin/Lime does/will do the same with the scooters.
- alistairSH 9y ago
  Anecdotally, the dockless bike-share bikes in DC get treated a bit like trash. Friends wake up and find them ditched in their yards, and in their driveways and alleys. They're randomly left in the middle of sidewalks. Etc. Maybe no literally treated like trash, but not treated thoughtfully either.
niko001 9y ago
Bird picks up all of their scooters every night: https://www.bird.co/sos-pledge-mar272018 https://www.bird.co/sos-pledge-mar272018
- r27d 9y ago
  They "pledged" that but relied on independent contractors to do all the collection and redistribution. They were not being picked up every night.
pwg 9y ago
> I'm confused on why a launch with proper permits and communication with the city would change the situation. Because then the city council would be receiving the tax revenue (permit fees) it feels it is due for /authorizing/ the launch to occur.
taneq 9y ago
> I'm confused on why a launch with proper permits and communication with the city would change the situation. Level playing field? It sounds like several companies did the right thing and worked with the authorities to make sure they didn't cause trouble, and then the three in TFA jumped the gun and launched anyway. As a governing body, you can't allow that precedent to stand. If "ignore regulations and do it anyway" becomes an optimal strategy then everyone will do it and your commons will be tragic.
- tapatio 9y ago
  Everyone already does it. It is the optimal strategy.
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dragonwriter 9y ago
> I'm confused on why a launch with proper permits and communication with the city would change the situation. If you have a permit for an activity, it's harder for the agency issuing the permit to argue you are acting without legal permission by doing the activity which the permit permits. Hence, the name “permit”.

by dexwiz 9y ago

mattlong 9y ago

What evidence do you have that people tend to treat them as trash? While I'm not sure how often Jump services/replaces their fleet, the few I've used and the many I've seen around SF have all worked great/looked to be in good condition over the past few months. Also, I've definitely seen vans redistributing Jump bikes around town. I fully expect Bird/Spin/Lime does/will do the same with the scooters.

alistairSH 9y ago
Anecdotally, the dockless bike-share bikes in DC get treated a bit like trash. Friends wake up and find them ditched in their yards, and in their driveways and alleys. They're randomly left in the middle of sidewalks. Etc. Maybe no literally treated like trash, but not treated thoughtfully either.

niko001 9y ago

Bird picks up all of their scooters every night: https://www.bird.co/sos-pledge-mar272018 https://www.bird.co/sos-pledge-mar272018

r27d 9y ago
They "pledged" that but relied on independent contractors to do all the collection and redistribution. They were not being picked up every night.

pwg 9y ago

> I'm confused on why a launch with proper permits and communication with the city would change the situation. Because then the city council would be receiving the tax revenue (permit fees) it feels it is due for /authorizing/ the launch to occur.

taneq 9y ago

> I'm confused on why a launch with proper permits and communication with the city would change the situation. Level playing field? It sounds like several companies did the right thing and worked with the authorities to make sure they didn't cause trouble, and then the three in TFA jumped the gun and launched anyway. As a governing body, you can't allow that precedent to stand. If "ignore regulations and do it anyway" becomes an optimal strategy then everyone will do it and your commons will be tragic.

tapatio 9y ago
Everyone already does it. It is the optimal strategy.
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dragonwriter 9y ago

> I'm confused on why a launch with proper permits and communication with the city would change the situation. If you have a permit for an activity, it's harder for the agency issuing the permit to argue you are acting without legal permission by doing the activity which the permit permits. Hence, the name “permit”.