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Let's get it straight, machine learning models cannot reason anything. They follow the rules and data supplied. They cannot recognise in any way that the rules

Let's get it straight, machine learning models cannot reason anything. They follow the rules and data supplied. They cannot recognise in any way that the rules by which they operate or the data they are supplied with are or are not reasonable. Much as there is much hype about AI and machine learning technologies, all of such systems will be, for the foreseeable future, very simplistic models of what we think we know of intelligence. As humans, we have blindly forgotten that we know very little about the world around us, including ourselves. We think that we have a handle on reality, but we are just plain ignorant. All the models that we have for deep learning and AI or GAI are barely scratching the surface of what "intelligence" is and means. We may get some useful tools as a result of the research being undertaken today and what we have undertaken over the last lot of decades. But we have millenia to go before we even scratch the surface of what we understand of the universe around us, let alone understand what intelligence means.

ben_w 9y ago
> Let's get it straight, machine learning models cannot reason anything. They follow the rules and data supplied. That is reasoning. I’ll agree with your later point that we don’t really know what intelligence is yet, but that’s because reasoning is clearly only one type of intelligence. Current systems are terrible at language, for example (a year ago I would have said “and spatial awareness”, but this is progressing fast and I am no longer sure). > They cannot recognise in any way that the rules by which they operate or the data they are supplied with are or are not reasonable. Quite a lot of humans fit that description. For example, consider how much angry disagreement the following questions get: “is climate change real?”, “Brexit, yes or no?”, and “does god exist?” Also consider how many people (angrily!) refuse to believe these questions result in any angry arguments.

ben_w 9y ago

> Let's get it straight, machine learning models cannot reason anything. They follow the rules and data supplied. That is reasoning. I’ll agree with your later point that we don’t really know what intelligence is yet, but that’s because reasoning is clearly only one type of intelligence. Current systems are terrible at language, for example (a year ago I would have said “and spatial awareness”, but this is progressing fast and I am no longer sure). > They cannot recognise in any way that the rules by which they operate or the data they are supplied with are or are not reasonable. Quite a lot of humans fit that description. For example, consider how much angry disagreement the following questions get: “is climate change real?”, “Brexit, yes or no?”, and “does god exist?” Also consider how many people (angrily!) refuse to believe these questions result in any angry arguments.