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Hahaha really HN? As a Swede this is so ridiculous, I don't think the author has any idea what they're talking about and have done no fact-checking at all. They

by ique 8y ago

Hahaha really HN? As a Swede this is so ridiculous, I don't think the author has any idea what they're talking about and have done no fact-checking at all. They even contradict themselves. > drop in homicides has been, however, far smaller in Sweden than in neighboring countries So there's been a drop in homicides > Shootings in the country have become so common But shootings have _become_ so common? So they're just missing more or what? What a ridiculous article, I guess HN is the new Fox news.

specializeded 8y ago
HN is a link aggregator and this link will probably be flagged off the front page in less than ten minutes, I’d direct ire at Politico in this case. edit less than 1 minute apparently!
- dogma1138 8y ago
  Politico, Economist, The Spectstor all have simmilar articles with the same statistics either they are all “fake news” or something is going on.
  - alkonaut 8y ago
    They are being baited by someone trying to push a narrative. Sweden has been used as an example in Hungary, by Trump etc.
    - dogma1138 8y ago
      Well on a personal note I have had a few closed calls in Malmo and I know 17 people who left mostly to Denmark, Israel and the US. I don’t know about the rest of Sweden but Malmo isn’t a place I want to be caught in, East London isn’t a walk in the park either.
  - amag 8y ago
    > something is going on It's election year..
    - dogma1138 8y ago
      The problem is that you can pull articles from early 2017 that show the same thing just talking about 2016, while every year seems to be an election year in some places it doesn't really seem to be a made up story. I don't really understand the "counter arguments" presented here are the statistics wrong? because these seems to be official statistics reported by all Swedish media and produced by the Swedish government.
  - maxerickson 8y ago
    If you are talking about https://www.spectator.co.uk/2018/02/violent-crime-in-sweden-is-soaring-when-will-politicians-act/ https://www.spectator.co.uk/2018/02/violent-crime-in-sweden-... It was written by the same person as this story and is time stamped about a month before the Economist piece (they anon). But the articles don't particularly seem to be independent phenomena.
    - dogma1138 8y ago
      It seems to be the same journalist (this isn't that uncommon) but she doesn't appear to be the swedish Alex Jones either.. https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paulina_Neuding https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paulina_Neuding The LocalSE (linked above you can search for more by yourself I've had people mention to me that it apparently is a neonazi site but i'm pretty sure were to the left of Corbyn so make up your own mind) and Radio Sweden (which is Sweden's official broadcaster) all have the same stories. http://sverigesradio.se/sida/artikel.aspx?programid=2054&artikel=6919477 http://sverigesradio.se/sida/artikel.aspx?programid=2054&art... http://sverigesradio.se/sida/artikel.aspx?programid=2054&artikel=6848368 http://sverigesradio.se/sida/artikel.aspx?programid=2054&art... http://sverigesradio.se/sida/artikel.aspx?programid=2054&artikel=6862333 http://sverigesradio.se/sida/artikel.aspx?programid=2054&art... (these are the 3 first results retrieved by searching "radio sweden shootings" (without quotes) on Google.co.uk in incognito mode. YRMV) Sveriges Radio is essentially Swedish NPR or the BBC (pre television) so I have very high doubts that is pushes some highly contentious political agenda....
      - maxerickson 8y ago
        I'm aware it isn't uncommon, it's just less remarkable that a couple outfits would carry opinion pieces by the same person than it might be if they were opinion pieces by different people. And that's the part of the article people are responding to, the opinion, the stuff that isn't in the Sveriges text, about how Sweden should be afraid of what it has done to itself. The Sveriges piece does mention that the homicide rate is still lower than Finland...
        8y ago
dogma1138 8y ago
306 shootings in 2017 that seems quite a lot compared to W.EU. https://www.thelocal.se/20171222/in-figures-2017s-shootings-in-sweden https://www.thelocal.se/20171222/in-figures-2017s-shootings-...
danielvf 8y ago
A previous decrease in homicides since the 90's. Shootings increasing the last few years. Not contradictory at all.

by ique 8y ago

specializeded 8y ago

HN is a link aggregator and this link will probably be flagged off the front page in less than ten minutes, I’d direct ire at Politico in this case. edit less than 1 minute apparently!

dogma1138 8y ago
Politico, Economist, The Spectstor all have simmilar articles with the same statistics either they are all “fake news” or something is going on.
- alkonaut 8y ago
  They are being baited by someone trying to push a narrative. Sweden has been used as an example in Hungary, by Trump etc.
  - dogma1138 8y ago
    Well on a personal note I have had a few closed calls in Malmo and I know 17 people who left mostly to Denmark, Israel and the US. I don’t know about the rest of Sweden but Malmo isn’t a place I want to be caught in, East London isn’t a walk in the park either.
- amag 8y ago
  > something is going on It's election year..
  - dogma1138 8y ago
    The problem is that you can pull articles from early 2017 that show the same thing just talking about 2016, while every year seems to be an election year in some places it doesn't really seem to be a made up story. I don't really understand the "counter arguments" presented here are the statistics wrong? because these seems to be official statistics reported by all Swedish media and produced by the Swedish government.
- maxerickson 8y ago
  If you are talking about https://www.spectator.co.uk/2018/02/violent-crime-in-sweden-is-soaring-when-will-politicians-act/ https://www.spectator.co.uk/2018/02/violent-crime-in-sweden-... It was written by the same person as this story and is time stamped about a month before the Economist piece (they anon). But the articles don't particularly seem to be independent phenomena.
  - dogma1138 8y ago
    It seems to be the same journalist (this isn't that uncommon) but she doesn't appear to be the swedish Alex Jones either.. https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paulina_Neuding https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paulina_Neuding The LocalSE (linked above you can search for more by yourself I've had people mention to me that it apparently is a neonazi site but i'm pretty sure were to the left of Corbyn so make up your own mind) and Radio Sweden (which is Sweden's official broadcaster) all have the same stories. http://sverigesradio.se/sida/artikel.aspx?programid=2054&artikel=6919477 http://sverigesradio.se/sida/artikel.aspx?programid=2054&art... http://sverigesradio.se/sida/artikel.aspx?programid=2054&artikel=6848368 http://sverigesradio.se/sida/artikel.aspx?programid=2054&art... http://sverigesradio.se/sida/artikel.aspx?programid=2054&artikel=6862333 http://sverigesradio.se/sida/artikel.aspx?programid=2054&art... (these are the 3 first results retrieved by searching "radio sweden shootings" (without quotes) on Google.co.uk in incognito mode. YRMV) Sveriges Radio is essentially Swedish NPR or the BBC (pre television) so I have very high doubts that is pushes some highly contentious political agenda....
    - maxerickson 8y ago
      I'm aware it isn't uncommon, it's just less remarkable that a couple outfits would carry opinion pieces by the same person than it might be if they were opinion pieces by different people. And that's the part of the article people are responding to, the opinion, the stuff that isn't in the Sveriges text, about how Sweden should be afraid of what it has done to itself. The Sveriges piece does mention that the homicide rate is still lower than Finland...
      - 8y ago

dogma1138 8y ago

306 shootings in 2017 that seems quite a lot compared to W.EU. https://www.thelocal.se/20171222/in-figures-2017s-shootings-in-sweden https://www.thelocal.se/20171222/in-figures-2017s-shootings-...

danielvf 8y ago

A previous decrease in homicides since the 90's. Shootings increasing the last few years. Not contradictory at all.