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This does not reflect at all with my own experience living in both south of Sweden and in Stockholm. Feels like misinformation in order to spread FUD about Swed

This does not reflect at all with my own experience living in both south of Sweden and in Stockholm. Feels like misinformation in order to spread FUD about Sweden.

refurb 9y ago
Sixteen grenade (grenade!) attacks in 2017. Three more this year. In a country of just under 10M. There is even its own Wikipedia page on it! [1] I wouldn't say that's FUD. [1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_grenade_attacks_in_Sweden https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_grenade_attacks_in_Swe...
- alkonaut 9y ago
  the guns criminals use are from the war in jugoslavia. At some point someone smuggled a crate of grenades to Sweden. The rest is history. You might argue that had “normal” guns been easier to aquire, gangsters wouldn’t have to use weapons of war, at least not that stupid weapons (because hand grenades have very very little practical use to a criminal other than sending a message). I don’t buy the idea that weapons should be easier to aquire - so I’d wish for stricter border control for weapons smuggling (there is effectively none within the EU).
jeffreyrogers 9y ago
This Economist article raises similar points https://www.economist.com/news/europe/21738389-young-men-kalashnikovs-have-upset-swedish-sense-security-why-are-young-men-sweden https://www.economist.com/news/europe/21738389-young-men-kal...
danielvf 9y ago
I hear people talk about how they would never move to the US because of how violent it is. And yet the reality of living in the US middle class is that violence almost never affects you or the areas you frequent. Most shootings in the US are between criminals, and happen in high crime areas that are geographically small in comparison to the entire country. I'm guessing this is similar in Sweden. It sounds like specific areas have increasing violence, and that this looks even worse, given the country's historical low rates of violence.
- ropeadopepope 9y ago
  > I'm guessing this is similar in Sweden. It sounds like specific areas have increasing violence, and that this looks even worse, given the country's historical low rates of violence. No, Swedish violence has been accelerating past what even Americans would consider acceptable. Unless there's been a spat of grenade attacks in the US that the media hasn't been covering. http://www.informationliberation.com/files/grenade-attacks-sweden-575x444.jpg http://www.informationliberation.com/files/grenade-attacks-s... PS: That number is even higher for 2017 and 2018.
apropostrophe 9y ago
It's an interesting genre, and one that the author's sadly been in for a while now. This is just the latest international example. On last week's Kvartal podcast (Veckopanelen) she tried to coax an outspoken police officer panelist into warning of increased violence from failed asylum seekers. He disagreed, and harrumphed and resorted to talking about two famously brutal cases instead. We'll likely be seeing more instances of this article.
Melchizedek 9y ago
I am Swedish. Everything in this story is true. What "experience"? Sweden is segregated -- I'm pretty sure you didn't spend a lot of time in the no-go zones at night. So you think Paulina Neuding, a well known Swedish journalist, writing for a respected publication, simply likes to spread FUD for no apparent reason? That's your theory?
- bobthechef 9y ago
  Is the Swedish media being silent about these things, and hence why the other Swedes here are denying these things?
  - canoebuilder 9y ago
    Basically everyone in Sweden more or less knows what is going on. But there is immense social pressure not to verbalise it, and instead proclaim to live in the kind of fantasy world of the sort promoted by the destructive multikulti propaganda that has inundated the west in the past few decades. It is frightening and sad to see people act in this way. You can find some documentaries on youtube about it. Edit: But yes, much of the media is silent about these things or completely misrepresents them. also see here, https://www.google.com/search?q=sweden+cover+up https://www.google.com/search?q=sweden+cover+up and here for accounts of Swedish absurdities from an American living in Sweden, https://swedenreport.wordpress.com/ https://swedenreport.wordpress.com/
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  - ropeadopepope 9y ago
    The police won't report on the violence for fear of being called racist, which is a crime that comes with jail time. Ditto for journalists. That is why the 1st amendment is so important. When it becomes illegal to tell the truth, nobody knows what the hell is going on.

This does not reflect at all with my own experience living in both south of Sweden and in Stockholm. Feels like misinformation in order to spread FUD about Sweden.

refurb 9y ago

Sixteen grenade (grenade!) attacks in 2017. Three more this year. In a country of just under 10M. There is even its own Wikipedia page on it! [1] I wouldn't say that's FUD. [1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_grenade_attacks_in_Sweden https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_grenade_attacks_in_Swe...

alkonaut 9y ago
the guns criminals use are from the war in jugoslavia. At some point someone smuggled a crate of grenades to Sweden. The rest is history. You might argue that had “normal” guns been easier to aquire, gangsters wouldn’t have to use weapons of war, at least not that stupid weapons (because hand grenades have very very little practical use to a criminal other than sending a message). I don’t buy the idea that weapons should be easier to aquire - so I’d wish for stricter border control for weapons smuggling (there is effectively none within the EU).

jeffreyrogers 9y ago

This Economist article raises similar points https://www.economist.com/news/europe/21738389-young-men-kalashnikovs-have-upset-swedish-sense-security-why-are-young-men-sweden https://www.economist.com/news/europe/21738389-young-men-kal...

danielvf 9y ago

I hear people talk about how they would never move to the US because of how violent it is. And yet the reality of living in the US middle class is that violence almost never affects you or the areas you frequent. Most shootings in the US are between criminals, and happen in high crime areas that are geographically small in comparison to the entire country. I'm guessing this is similar in Sweden. It sounds like specific areas have increasing violence, and that this looks even worse, given the country's historical low rates of violence.

ropeadopepope 9y ago
> I'm guessing this is similar in Sweden. It sounds like specific areas have increasing violence, and that this looks even worse, given the country's historical low rates of violence. No, Swedish violence has been accelerating past what even Americans would consider acceptable. Unless there's been a spat of grenade attacks in the US that the media hasn't been covering. http://www.informationliberation.com/files/grenade-attacks-sweden-575x444.jpg http://www.informationliberation.com/files/grenade-attacks-s... PS: That number is even higher for 2017 and 2018.

apropostrophe 9y ago

It's an interesting genre, and one that the author's sadly been in for a while now. This is just the latest international example. On last week's Kvartal podcast (Veckopanelen) she tried to coax an outspoken police officer panelist into warning of increased violence from failed asylum seekers. He disagreed, and harrumphed and resorted to talking about two famously brutal cases instead. We'll likely be seeing more instances of this article.

Melchizedek 9y ago

I am Swedish. Everything in this story is true. What "experience"? Sweden is segregated -- I'm pretty sure you didn't spend a lot of time in the no-go zones at night. So you think Paulina Neuding, a well known Swedish journalist, writing for a respected publication, simply likes to spread FUD for no apparent reason? That's your theory?

bobthechef 9y ago
Is the Swedish media being silent about these things, and hence why the other Swedes here are denying these things?
- canoebuilder 9y ago
  Basically everyone in Sweden more or less knows what is going on. But there is immense social pressure not to verbalise it, and instead proclaim to live in the kind of fantasy world of the sort promoted by the destructive multikulti propaganda that has inundated the west in the past few decades. It is frightening and sad to see people act in this way. You can find some documentaries on youtube about it. Edit: But yes, much of the media is silent about these things or completely misrepresents them. also see here, https://www.google.com/search?q=sweden+cover+up https://www.google.com/search?q=sweden+cover+up and here for accounts of Swedish absurdities from an American living in Sweden, https://swedenreport.wordpress.com/ https://swedenreport.wordpress.com/
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- ropeadopepope 9y ago
  The police won't report on the violence for fear of being called racist, which is a crime that comes with jail time. Ditto for journalists. That is why the 1st amendment is so important. When it becomes illegal to tell the truth, nobody knows what the hell is going on.