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Nirsoft and Sysinternals should be part of Windows. Add Notepad++ and you have a decent OS all of a sudden.
by maxxxxx 9y ago
Nirsoft and Sysinternals should be part of Windows. Add Notepad++ and you have a decent OS all of a sudden.
- ProAm 9y agoI thought Sysinternals was acquired by Microsoft?
- reificator 9y agoI can confirm, I downloaded the suite from Microsoft a few weeks ago. Still comes in handy to track down some specific types of bugs.
- cobalt 9y agothey were
- Tushon 9y agoI would guess OP meant "integrated into" rather than acquired by, so that they are available by default rather than having to be installed separately.
- oblio 9y agoParts of them were integrated. Take a look at the Win XP Task Manager and at the Win 10 one.
- maxxxxx 9y agoThey are still way behind ProcExp for example.
- HelloNurse 9y agoA straightforward tool for everyone is not "behind" a comprehensive tool for experts just because it does less. Minimizing the probability of someone using Task Manager to shoot themselves in the foot is probably more challenging than adding an advanced feature to ProcExp.
- maxxxxx 9y agoThe "Details" tab on the current task manager is plenty for shooting yourself in the foot but it lacks features for power users. I personally think they just don't care.
- aepiepaey 9y agoUnfortunately, ProcExp started breaking with Windows 10 (columns regularly got into a broken state, requiring reset of the registry settings), plus they ruined the color scheme for the tray icons, so I switched to Process Hacker instead.
- Zekio 9y agoI really hope they someday integrate the tools into Windows considering how few megabytes they take up
- ragesh 9y agoI really hope they don't, because then their releases would be intertwined. Instead of getting the latest and greatest sysinternals tools all the time, I'd probably have to wait until the next Windows release.
- Zekio 9y agoThat is not how it works these days, a lot of things can update separately from Windows itself, my current solution is to use Scoop an open source Windows CLI package manager which can update it whenever a new version comes out
- maxxxxx 9y agoAnd for some (stupid?) reason they weren't integrated into the OS so a lot of people don't know about them.
- ralish 9y agoIf they're integrated into the OS they have to be supported at the same level as the rest of the OS, which entails the same rigorous processes w.r.t. updates, bug fixes, etc... By keeping them out-of-band, that support requirement doesn't apply, allowing the tools to be much more aggressively updated and released without the same degree of oversight. There's a reason they're licensed separately and effectively with no support or warranty. Doing so enables their rapid development without/less-of the usual bureaucracy.
- tgtweak 9y agoI think the former developer of process monitor and process explorer is now CTO of azure if memory serves me correctly.
- pasbesoin 9y agoMark went work for MS, as I recall. This was some years ago; I don't know about currently. MS sucked in the tools/pages onto its domain. Navigation to/of their pages and versions became somewhat shittier (per the... "canonical" MS web experience, I guess). I seem to recall a bit of public pushback on this point, and things improved somewhat. Maybe I mis-recollect; I've been mostly away from Windows for quite a number of years, now.
- arunc 9y agoIf that happens Notepad++ will probably the first explicit GNU GPL product from MS.
- maxxxxx 9y agoIt's still hard to understand that they haven't touched Notepad in such a long time. The effort to get a good editor must be tiny compared to a lot of other stuff they are doing. I am pretty sure I could improve Notepad substantially with just a few days of work.
- huehehue 9y agoI don't see why they would. Notepad is great if you want to do something really quickly w/ plaintext, and the fact that it doesn't really do anything else is the best part IMO. If you want nicer formatting you can use WordPad. Beyond that, there are a million alternatives (including the MS office suite)
- maxxxxx 9y agoI think a system should come with a decent editor out of the box. I sometimes have to deal with locked down systems where I can't install Notepad++. So I have to choose between two bad options like notepad or Wordpad. Both at least 20 years old and unchanged since then.
- jenscow 9y agoyes. at least put something decent on a server.
- __s 9y agoEver use replace all in Notepad, where it then begins slowly iterating, repainting at every step?
- da_chicken 9y agoEh. The only thing I really miss in Notepad is the ability to easily view text files that have Linux line endings. That's really all I care about. For anything else I'll probably use Notepad++ or VS Code. The reality is that Windows isn't a text-based operating system, so a text editor with features isn't a vital component.
- zouhair 9y agoWSCC[0] to have them all in one place. [0]: https://www.kls-soft.com/wscc/ https://www.kls-soft.com/wscc/