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What would you use? (honest question)

by Heliosmaster 8y ago

scarface74 8y ago
If you want a native app, use native tools for each platform to create the best user experience.
- evv 8y ago
  This is effectively asking to double the size of the engineering team, or slow it down dramatically. If I were a startup or small business, I'd rather ship a slightly slow-feeling app with my existing team of web developers who already know their tools, than to hire a bunch of native developers and somehow get them all on the same page.
  - saagarjha 8y ago
    > If I were a startup or small business, I'd rather ship a slightly slow-feeling app with my existing team of web developers who already know their tools, than to hire a bunch of native developers and somehow get them all on the same page. That might be the time where you'd want to stand out from your competitors by shipping a fast, native app rather than a web app.
    - evv 8y ago
      Slack was able to stand out from its competitors by providing a reasonably fast web app. Nobody cared (cares?) about the desktop app. It sure seems like you can compete with a good feature set and fast iteration on your product. Throwing more web developers on the project is often the right call, so you can keep shipping new features quickly on every platform. I'd love to be proven wrong, but performance seems to be an afterthought to the market.
      - scarface74 8y ago
        How many people use Slack desktop app? They also have good native apps for Android and iOS.
      - saagarjha 8y ago
        > Nobody cared (cares?) about the desktop app. Let me tell you, people do care about the desktop app, and not in a good way…
      - scarface74 8y ago
        It depends on how you define "success". I define a "successful" business as one that is profitable. Is Slack good enough that enough people will pay for it to make it a sustainable long term business? https://www.recode.net/2017/6/15/15810088/slack-deal-funding-amazon-microsoft-buyers-business-communication https://www.recode.net/2017/6/15/15810088/slack-deal-funding...
  - scarface74 8y ago
    Yes. I'm asking a business that want to provide a native client to provide a native client. If it can be done as a web app why not do it as a web app? Yes I am a developer and for products that are suited to be on the web, I write websites.
    - evv 8y ago
      What if that business wants to provide an "app" icon in the macOS dock, and a "program" in the windows start menu, without hiring a bunch of native developers? What would you advise for them, if not electron?
      - scarface74 8y ago
        If they want to have happy customers they won't do that - electron apps eat battery life compared to just going to a website.
  - ascorbic 8y ago
    And asking to drop Linux support.
    - scarface74 8y ago
      Is that a bad thing? What does the Slack "native" app do that the website doesn't? The website supports push notifications on the desktop.
notriddle 8y ago
Qt?

What would you use? (honest question)

scarface74 8y ago

If you want a native app, use native tools for each platform to create the best user experience.

evv 8y ago
This is effectively asking to double the size of the engineering team, or slow it down dramatically. If I were a startup or small business, I'd rather ship a slightly slow-feeling app with my existing team of web developers who already know their tools, than to hire a bunch of native developers and somehow get them all on the same page.
- saagarjha 8y ago
  > If I were a startup or small business, I'd rather ship a slightly slow-feeling app with my existing team of web developers who already know their tools, than to hire a bunch of native developers and somehow get them all on the same page. That might be the time where you'd want to stand out from your competitors by shipping a fast, native app rather than a web app.
  - evv 8y ago
    Slack was able to stand out from its competitors by providing a reasonably fast web app. Nobody cared (cares?) about the desktop app. It sure seems like you can compete with a good feature set and fast iteration on your product. Throwing more web developers on the project is often the right call, so you can keep shipping new features quickly on every platform. I'd love to be proven wrong, but performance seems to be an afterthought to the market.
    - scarface74 8y ago
      How many people use Slack desktop app? They also have good native apps for Android and iOS.
    - saagarjha 8y ago
      > Nobody cared (cares?) about the desktop app. Let me tell you, people do care about the desktop app, and not in a good way…
    - scarface74 8y ago
      It depends on how you define "success". I define a "successful" business as one that is profitable. Is Slack good enough that enough people will pay for it to make it a sustainable long term business? https://www.recode.net/2017/6/15/15810088/slack-deal-funding-amazon-microsoft-buyers-business-communication https://www.recode.net/2017/6/15/15810088/slack-deal-funding...
- scarface74 8y ago
  Yes. I'm asking a business that want to provide a native client to provide a native client. If it can be done as a web app why not do it as a web app? Yes I am a developer and for products that are suited to be on the web, I write websites.
  - evv 8y ago
    What if that business wants to provide an "app" icon in the macOS dock, and a "program" in the windows start menu, without hiring a bunch of native developers? What would you advise for them, if not electron?
    - scarface74 8y ago
      If they want to have happy customers they won't do that - electron apps eat battery life compared to just going to a website.
- ascorbic 8y ago
  And asking to drop Linux support.
  - scarface74 8y ago
    Is that a bad thing? What does the Slack "native" app do that the website doesn't? The website supports push notifications on the desktop.

notriddle 8y ago

Qt?