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Lemme get this straight: you're mad that a company you don't want to pay $99/yr to won't build APIs so you can make money on their platform. So sad, lemme find

Lemme get this straight: you're mad that a company you don't want to pay $99/yr to won't build APIs so you can make money on their platform. So sad, lemme find my tiny violin.

shkkmo 9y ago
I'm not mad at them. However their lack of support for industry standards is why I won't buy their product.
- scarface74 9y ago
  And again that's the free market at work. There are enough people who have a different set of priorities to make Apple a very successful company.
  - foolrush 9y ago
    The ”free” market is not a sentient being.
    - scarface74 9y ago
      And nowhere did I say it was. The fact is every company hopefully has a business plan to be profitable the numbers show that Apple has one of the best business plans to do so.
- tomcooks 9y ago
  Same here, and if it wasn't bad enough other companies copy this terrible attitude. Dinosaurs will die.
wpietri 9y ago
It's not their platform. The devices belong to the people who bought them.
judah 9y ago
Author here. I'm not making any money on their platform. I'm a non-profit, building a free app; this isn't about money. I mentioned money in the post as a list of all barriers to moving a PWA to app store. $99/year + 33% in-app purchases (plus a $1000+ Mac to build, and probably one or more Mac minis for CI) is a barrier. The bigger concern is Apple is lagging behind on web standards. I suspect the reason for that is because web apps undermine their app business; this is a replay of the 1990s when Microsoft lagged their browser behind web standards, knowing it undermined their business. So, keep your violin, brother. :-) My post wasn't a complaint, but a documenting of the hurdles involved in moving a PWA to the app stores.
- saagarjha 9y ago
  > I'm a non-profit So the only thing that applies to you is the price to have access to a Mac. Since you're a nonprofit, Apple will waive your developer fee, and you wouldn't need in-app purchases anyways. Also, IIRC the cut Apple takes is 30%, not 33%, in line with the rest of their App Store policies.
  - oarsinsync 9y ago
    "non-profit" doesn't mean "not selling things"
    - codazoda 9y ago
      And it certainly doesn't mean it's not about money. Depends on the business, of course, but I've seen non-profits that pay million dollar salaries to employees and put millions in the bank as reserves. Fine with me but business is often about money; non-profit or otherwise.
  - JumpCrisscross 9y ago
    > Since you're a nonprofit, Apple will waive your developer fee I thought you meant charities, not non-profits, but TechCrunch reports the latter: "Apple in early 2018 will waive the $99 developer fee for all government and nonprofits starting in the U.S. to make this transition easier." https://techcrunch.com/2017/12/20/apple-revises-its-controversial-guidelines-on-template-based-apps/ https://techcrunch.com/2017/12/20/apple-revises-its-controve...
linkmotif 9y ago
This is a ridiculous comment unworthy of this community. Safari doesn’t follow web standards that other browsers follow. That’s worthy of frustration. If they build a browser, they should implement standard APIs.

Lemme get this straight: you're mad that a company you don't want to pay $99/yr to won't build APIs so you can make money on their platform. So sad, lemme find my tiny violin.

shkkmo 9y ago

I'm not mad at them. However their lack of support for industry standards is why I won't buy their product.

scarface74 9y ago
And again that's the free market at work. There are enough people who have a different set of priorities to make Apple a very successful company.
- foolrush 9y ago
  The ”free” market is not a sentient being.
  - scarface74 9y ago
    And nowhere did I say it was. The fact is every company hopefully has a business plan to be profitable the numbers show that Apple has one of the best business plans to do so.
tomcooks 9y ago
Same here, and if it wasn't bad enough other companies copy this terrible attitude. Dinosaurs will die.

wpietri 9y ago

It's not their platform. The devices belong to the people who bought them.

judah 9y ago

Author here. I'm not making any money on their platform. I'm a non-profit, building a free app; this isn't about money. I mentioned money in the post as a list of all barriers to moving a PWA to app store. $99/year + 33% in-app purchases (plus a $1000+ Mac to build, and probably one or more Mac minis for CI) is a barrier. The bigger concern is Apple is lagging behind on web standards. I suspect the reason for that is because web apps undermine their app business; this is a replay of the 1990s when Microsoft lagged their browser behind web standards, knowing it undermined their business. So, keep your violin, brother. :-) My post wasn't a complaint, but a documenting of the hurdles involved in moving a PWA to the app stores.

saagarjha 9y ago
> I'm a non-profit So the only thing that applies to you is the price to have access to a Mac. Since you're a nonprofit, Apple will waive your developer fee, and you wouldn't need in-app purchases anyways. Also, IIRC the cut Apple takes is 30%, not 33%, in line with the rest of their App Store policies.
- oarsinsync 9y ago
  "non-profit" doesn't mean "not selling things"
  - codazoda 9y ago
    And it certainly doesn't mean it's not about money. Depends on the business, of course, but I've seen non-profits that pay million dollar salaries to employees and put millions in the bank as reserves. Fine with me but business is often about money; non-profit or otherwise.
- JumpCrisscross 9y ago
  > Since you're a nonprofit, Apple will waive your developer fee I thought you meant charities, not non-profits, but TechCrunch reports the latter: "Apple in early 2018 will waive the $99 developer fee for all government and nonprofits starting in the U.S. to make this transition easier." https://techcrunch.com/2017/12/20/apple-revises-its-controversial-guidelines-on-template-based-apps/ https://techcrunch.com/2017/12/20/apple-revises-its-controve...

linkmotif 9y ago

This is a ridiculous comment unworthy of this community. Safari doesn’t follow web standards that other browsers follow. That’s worthy of frustration. If they build a browser, they should implement standard APIs.