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They are, but like I mentioned in my other comment, their current tech (AFAIK) was cutting edge (Intel) in the year 2000. They're still quite behind. The govern

by ksk 9y ago

They are, but like I mentioned in my other comment, their current tech (AFAIK) was cutting edge (Intel) in the year 2000. They're still quite behind. The government is investing gobs of cash to reduce that gap. All the governments with cutting edge semiconductor tech (US/Japan/EU/Korea) are doing anything they can to prevent China from getting it. >Aren't Chinese companies also engaging in rampant Cyber theft of IP? I suppose the Chinese don't consider themselves subject to US laws. Not sure if they've signed any treaties..

balls187 9y ago
Less about the legality of it all, and more a question as to why they are so far behind. If Chinese companies are stealing IP, how come their Semiconductor tech lags so much? I'll also temper my comment by saying the West (US in particular) also engages in same behavior, but with less direct benefit.
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- bsder 9y ago
  > If Chinese companies are stealing IP, how come their Semiconductor tech lags so much? Shit's hard, yo. :) Because you can give someone your entire IP portfolio, and they still don't have the institutional knowledge to put it all together. Digital Equipment Corporation literally had almost 100 Korean engineers on site in Boston in an attempt to teach Samsung how to make Alpha microprocessors. They were only marginally successful, and both parties wanted each other to succeed. Apple, for example, only knows how to build chips because they bought SiByte who were a bunch of ex-Digital Equipment Corporation microprocessor designers--who learned from people who had something like 3 decades of institutional knowledge upon which to draw. There aren't that many chip designers in the world. And a lot of them got out because making and selling chips is such a horrifically bad business (long timelines, high capital cost, high risk).
  - Immortalin 9y ago
    Do you by any chance have a link for the DEC story?
    - bsder 9y ago
      Not easily. You might be able to find something in the Boston Globe archives circa 1993-1995 for the Samsung stuff.

by ksk 9y ago

balls187 9y ago

Less about the legality of it all, and more a question as to why they are so far behind. If Chinese companies are stealing IP, how come their Semiconductor tech lags so much? I'll also temper my comment by saying the West (US in particular) also engages in same behavior, but with less direct benefit.

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bsder 9y ago
> If Chinese companies are stealing IP, how come their Semiconductor tech lags so much? Shit's hard, yo. :) Because you can give someone your entire IP portfolio, and they still don't have the institutional knowledge to put it all together. Digital Equipment Corporation literally had almost 100 Korean engineers on site in Boston in an attempt to teach Samsung how to make Alpha microprocessors. They were only marginally successful, and both parties wanted each other to succeed. Apple, for example, only knows how to build chips because they bought SiByte who were a bunch of ex-Digital Equipment Corporation microprocessor designers--who learned from people who had something like 3 decades of institutional knowledge upon which to draw. There aren't that many chip designers in the world. And a lot of them got out because making and selling chips is such a horrifically bad business (long timelines, high capital cost, high risk).
- Immortalin 9y ago
  Do you by any chance have a link for the DEC story?
  - bsder 9y ago
    Not easily. You might be able to find something in the Boston Globe archives circa 1993-1995 for the Samsung stuff.