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How often did you have depression? Especially major depressive episodes where you have trouble to even motivate yourself to move out of the bed or do ANYTHING b

by sgift 9y ago

How often did you have depression? Especially major depressive episodes where you have trouble to even motivate yourself to move out of the bed or do ANYTHING but just "exist" and even that seems hard? If the answer is zero (which I think it is) do those who have it a favor and shut up. Depression is hard enough without "you just have to exercise, huahua" comments.

sho 9y ago
While you are totally right, you could have phrased that a lot better, and don't tell people to shut up.
ada1981 9y ago
I over came decades of suicidal depression (as well as schizophrenia and bipolar) with a self concocted protocol which included psychedelics and now don't take traditional meds. I read the OPs intention as "use K to get the person back from the bottom of depression and then leverage that boost in mood to start a habit of excersize" That seems reasonable and a good approach. You want to reinvest the motivation and better mood into relationships and behaviors that will continue to compound feeling good. I'd also recommend Gratitude as a practice and ultimately some sort of somatic work where you are encouraged to go deeply into any uncomfortable feelings with your full body.
- nylonstrung 9y ago
  Can you explain your protocol? That's pretty promising. I've had some good results to date but not sure how to use them in a more disciplined way to create permanent results
  - ada1981 9y ago
    I'd be happy to Skype with you for 20 minutes sometime. You can email me a@175g.com
aantix 9y ago
>do those who have it a favor and shut up Nothing is more irksome than the trend in public discussions to tell others to "shut up" if they haven't specifically experienced something. This is a public forum. We're discussing a publicly posted article. The OP brought to the table a valid point. Let them talk.
- yabatopia 9y ago
  I'll always remember a quote from a cancer researcher/professor on tv: "You don't have to be an elephant to talk about elephants." Sadly I don't have an elephant's brain so I don't remember the professor's name.
- selectodude 9y ago
  A lot of depressed people who have been able to pull themselves out of the hole can be pretty touchy about stuff like being told to exercise. OP was maybe a bit more aggressive than he needed to be, but it can be a pretty raw feeling, and mental illness has such a stigma.
GordonS 9y ago
> If the answer is zero (which I think it is) do those who have it a favor and shut up I get where you're coming from with this response - if you haven't been there, there is just no way you can understand how desperately bleak things can become. But if someone is ignorant about mental health, why not try to educate that tell them to "shut up"? We need to talk about these things, not humiliate and shut down anyone who doesn't understand.
jayd16 9y ago
When studies seem to suggest exercise helps, its pretty dangerous to shout down comments like this. Especially when you're completely misrepresenting the question.

by sgift 9y ago

sho 9y ago

While you are totally right, you could have phrased that a lot better, and don't tell people to shut up.

ada1981 9y ago

I over came decades of suicidal depression (as well as schizophrenia and bipolar) with a self concocted protocol which included psychedelics and now don't take traditional meds. I read the OPs intention as "use K to get the person back from the bottom of depression and then leverage that boost in mood to start a habit of excersize" That seems reasonable and a good approach. You want to reinvest the motivation and better mood into relationships and behaviors that will continue to compound feeling good. I'd also recommend Gratitude as a practice and ultimately some sort of somatic work where you are encouraged to go deeply into any uncomfortable feelings with your full body.

nylonstrung 9y ago
Can you explain your protocol? That's pretty promising. I've had some good results to date but not sure how to use them in a more disciplined way to create permanent results
- ada1981 9y ago
  I'd be happy to Skype with you for 20 minutes sometime. You can email me a@175g.com

aantix 9y ago

>do those who have it a favor and shut up Nothing is more irksome than the trend in public discussions to tell others to "shut up" if they haven't specifically experienced something. This is a public forum. We're discussing a publicly posted article. The OP brought to the table a valid point. Let them talk.

yabatopia 9y ago
I'll always remember a quote from a cancer researcher/professor on tv: "You don't have to be an elephant to talk about elephants." Sadly I don't have an elephant's brain so I don't remember the professor's name.
selectodude 9y ago
A lot of depressed people who have been able to pull themselves out of the hole can be pretty touchy about stuff like being told to exercise. OP was maybe a bit more aggressive than he needed to be, but it can be a pretty raw feeling, and mental illness has such a stigma.

GordonS 9y ago

> If the answer is zero (which I think it is) do those who have it a favor and shut up I get where you're coming from with this response - if you haven't been there, there is just no way you can understand how desperately bleak things can become. But if someone is ignorant about mental health, why not try to educate that tell them to "shut up"? We need to talk about these things, not humiliate and shut down anyone who doesn't understand.

jayd16 9y ago

When studies seem to suggest exercise helps, its pretty dangerous to shout down comments like this. Especially when you're completely misrepresenting the question.