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Unfortunately no. Not all of us are thrilled about a life of remote work. I for one work best side by side with a team of people. That environment is only easil

Unfortunately no. Not all of us are thrilled about a life of remote work. I for one work best side by side with a team of people. That environment is only easily attained in the exact places that have ridiculous real estate markets. I've looked many times at different markets and for me moving doesn't make sense. So near Seattle I stay.

automoton1 9y ago
"That environment is only easily attained in the exact places that have ridiculous real estate markets." There are places in middle America with open positions for many people that have relatively inexpensive living costs in comparison to places like SV, Seattle, New York, and so on.
- stevenwoo 9y ago
  I did a cursory search on craigslist and last months hiring post and most of what I could find had very specific prerequisite experience, some had low 3-5 maximum years experience, and the selection of jobs was pretty low barring the West/East Coast, Austin would be in the running but I moved from there. You mentioned New York as too similar, but there are a lot of interesting companies there.
moorhosj 9y ago
Chicago, Indianapolis, Minneapolis, Nashville, Columbus all fit your criteria and have “cheap” housing. It’s a big country.
- almost_usual 9y ago
  As someone who grew up in nowhere Illinois it’s funny when I hear Chicago has “cheap” housing.
- logfromblammo 9y ago
  I would not recommend moving to Chicago proper until Illinois gets their major fiscal problems worked out. If you absolutely can't avoid it, living in Gary, Indiana, or Kenosha, Wisconsin, will do until then. Take the Metra if you need to get into the city. Indianapolis has some of the cheapest housing in the US, but it also has very low salaries for software professionals. I have a lot of family there, and I just can't move back. Sure, it's nice to own your entire house for only $150k, but the pay cut means you'll spend longer paying it off than you thought.
  - moorhosj 9y ago
    ==I would not recommend moving to Chicago proper until Illinois gets their major fiscal problems worked out.== Recommending people move to Gary or Kenosha simply to avoid living in Chicago is pretty silly and a vast over-reaction. Markets have priced in the fiscal issues and Chicago is still cheaper than comparable cities for tech professionals. Even with increased taxes, Chicago will remain cheaper than New York, Seattle, Denver, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Boston and DC. Pretty much every city/state in the US has a pension crisis and will require tax increases. Would you recommend people avoid these places?: - Houston - https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/politics/houston/article/The-heart-of-Houston-s-pension-problem-is-debt-11110657.php https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/politics/houston/artic... - Dallas - https://www.dallasnews.com/news/dallas-city-hall/2017/11/13/pension-reform-force-dozens-dallas-cops-firefighters-retire-january https://www.dallasnews.com/news/dallas-city-hall/2017/11/13/... - All of California - http://www.sacbee.com/opinion/editorials/article199693069.html http://www.sacbee.com/opinion/editorials/article199693069.ht... - Seattle - http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/08/22/what-seattle-income-tax-fight-says-about-our-countrys-pension-mess.html http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/08/22/what-seattle-incom...
    - logfromblammo 9y ago
      Yes, yes I would. Avoid those places. Always prefer to live in places that do not have basket case governments that kick the can down the road for the next guy to fix. Previous generations avoided fixing the problems by anticipating that new blood would bring in their money, and they could grow their way out of trouble. Don't be the sucker that comes in to a new situation who is then expected to carry old baggage. I don't think Illinois is bad enough that anyone should move away if they already live there, but their choices are to move away, become more politically active, or be left holding the bag for prior decades of bad government. It's like any other relationship. You're going to have an easier time with someone who seems capable of dealing with their own problems, than with the person who pushes responsibility for their problems on to you. If you simply must live in a particular place, you need to account for bad government as a price premium. If you intend to work in California, you need to increase your salary demands, to account for its insufficient housing stock and property tax laws. It just so happens that many businesses in California can currently meet those demands. A lot of places with bad government cannot, so just don't go there. And if your local government seems to be turning sour, you need to stand up, make some noise, and let those responsible know that you will not allow your home to become one of those places. If things still go bad, leave. Corruption only works when people go along with it. And that is why I moved from Chicago to Kenosha in 2002. As it happened, I then moved again to Madison in 2005, but that was moving to something rather than moving from something else. What kind of city sells its own parking meters? The kind you don't move into.
dbatten 9y ago
Surely, you're not serious about this? I work (in an office, not remote, mind you) at a tech company in the Research Triangle area of North Carolina. Most of the people I know also work in tech companies. In fact, outside of state government and the school systems, the major employers around here are all tech companies and research universities. You can easily have an entire career in tech, working in-person, in good jobs doing cool stuff. And the cost of living around here is a tiny fraction of what you'd pay in the SF/NY/LA/Seattle. If you want to live in [big overpriced city] because you like said big overpriced city, feel free to do so. But HN really needs to get over this ridiculous idea that big, overpriced cities are the only place to have a tech career.
- wenttomarket 9y ago
  I am a Bay Area resident interested in the Raleigh tech scene. Any interest in connecting? Can be reached at 650 338 2164
- noahl 9y ago
  I just moved from Seattle to Raleigh, and I'm still trying to learn the local tech scene. Can you share any info publicly on companies doing cool stuff around here?
- DubiousPusher 9y ago
  You're right. I don't actually know enough about the distribution of tech careers to hold a strong opinion. I'm largely operating off my own experience, which is this. When I look for jobs in less populous, more affordable areas I tend to run into the same thing. There are mostly regional/local companies looking for very specific types of engineers and more generalized engineering opportunities are almost always looking for 10-15 years more experience than I have. As someone who is still a junior engineer of the generalist variety I've been unable to find much. I'll admit, I haven't looked on the east coast though, as that's very far from my family.

automoton1 9y ago

"That environment is only easily attained in the exact places that have ridiculous real estate markets." There are places in middle America with open positions for many people that have relatively inexpensive living costs in comparison to places like SV, Seattle, New York, and so on.

stevenwoo 9y ago
I did a cursory search on craigslist and last months hiring post and most of what I could find had very specific prerequisite experience, some had low 3-5 maximum years experience, and the selection of jobs was pretty low barring the West/East Coast, Austin would be in the running but I moved from there. You mentioned New York as too similar, but there are a lot of interesting companies there.

moorhosj 9y ago

Chicago, Indianapolis, Minneapolis, Nashville, Columbus all fit your criteria and have “cheap” housing. It’s a big country.

almost_usual 9y ago
As someone who grew up in nowhere Illinois it’s funny when I hear Chicago has “cheap” housing.
logfromblammo 9y ago
I would not recommend moving to Chicago proper until Illinois gets their major fiscal problems worked out. If you absolutely can't avoid it, living in Gary, Indiana, or Kenosha, Wisconsin, will do until then. Take the Metra if you need to get into the city. Indianapolis has some of the cheapest housing in the US, but it also has very low salaries for software professionals. I have a lot of family there, and I just can't move back. Sure, it's nice to own your entire house for only $150k, but the pay cut means you'll spend longer paying it off than you thought.
- moorhosj 9y ago
  ==I would not recommend moving to Chicago proper until Illinois gets their major fiscal problems worked out.== Recommending people move to Gary or Kenosha simply to avoid living in Chicago is pretty silly and a vast over-reaction. Markets have priced in the fiscal issues and Chicago is still cheaper than comparable cities for tech professionals. Even with increased taxes, Chicago will remain cheaper than New York, Seattle, Denver, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Boston and DC. Pretty much every city/state in the US has a pension crisis and will require tax increases. Would you recommend people avoid these places?: - Houston - https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/politics/houston/article/The-heart-of-Houston-s-pension-problem-is-debt-11110657.php https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/politics/houston/artic... - Dallas - https://www.dallasnews.com/news/dallas-city-hall/2017/11/13/pension-reform-force-dozens-dallas-cops-firefighters-retire-january https://www.dallasnews.com/news/dallas-city-hall/2017/11/13/... - All of California - http://www.sacbee.com/opinion/editorials/article199693069.html http://www.sacbee.com/opinion/editorials/article199693069.ht... - Seattle - http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/08/22/what-seattle-income-tax-fight-says-about-our-countrys-pension-mess.html http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/08/22/what-seattle-incom...
  - logfromblammo 9y ago
    Yes, yes I would. Avoid those places. Always prefer to live in places that do not have basket case governments that kick the can down the road for the next guy to fix. Previous generations avoided fixing the problems by anticipating that new blood would bring in their money, and they could grow their way out of trouble. Don't be the sucker that comes in to a new situation who is then expected to carry old baggage. I don't think Illinois is bad enough that anyone should move away if they already live there, but their choices are to move away, become more politically active, or be left holding the bag for prior decades of bad government. It's like any other relationship. You're going to have an easier time with someone who seems capable of dealing with their own problems, than with the person who pushes responsibility for their problems on to you. If you simply must live in a particular place, you need to account for bad government as a price premium. If you intend to work in California, you need to increase your salary demands, to account for its insufficient housing stock and property tax laws. It just so happens that many businesses in California can currently meet those demands. A lot of places with bad government cannot, so just don't go there. And if your local government seems to be turning sour, you need to stand up, make some noise, and let those responsible know that you will not allow your home to become one of those places. If things still go bad, leave. Corruption only works when people go along with it. And that is why I moved from Chicago to Kenosha in 2002. As it happened, I then moved again to Madison in 2005, but that was moving to something rather than moving from something else. What kind of city sells its own parking meters? The kind you don't move into.

dbatten 9y ago

Surely, you're not serious about this? I work (in an office, not remote, mind you) at a tech company in the Research Triangle area of North Carolina. Most of the people I know also work in tech companies. In fact, outside of state government and the school systems, the major employers around here are all tech companies and research universities. You can easily have an entire career in tech, working in-person, in good jobs doing cool stuff. And the cost of living around here is a tiny fraction of what you'd pay in the SF/NY/LA/Seattle. If you want to live in [big overpriced city] because you like said big overpriced city, feel free to do so. But HN really needs to get over this ridiculous idea that big, overpriced cities are the only place to have a tech career.

wenttomarket 9y ago
I am a Bay Area resident interested in the Raleigh tech scene. Any interest in connecting? Can be reached at 650 338 2164
noahl 9y ago
I just moved from Seattle to Raleigh, and I'm still trying to learn the local tech scene. Can you share any info publicly on companies doing cool stuff around here?
DubiousPusher 9y ago
You're right. I don't actually know enough about the distribution of tech careers to hold a strong opinion. I'm largely operating off my own experience, which is this. When I look for jobs in less populous, more affordable areas I tend to run into the same thing. There are mostly regional/local companies looking for very specific types of engineers and more generalized engineering opportunities are almost always looking for 10-15 years more experience than I have. As someone who is still a junior engineer of the generalist variety I've been unable to find much. I'll admit, I haven't looked on the east coast though, as that's very far from my family.