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Author thinks Chrome is the best browser so whatever. I've been using Firefox for the past 4 years and while the latest version is certainly the best thus far,

Author thinks Chrome is the best browser so whatever. I've been using Firefox for the past 4 years and while the latest version is certainly the best thus far, even when Chrome performed "better" I'd still not use it for a myriad of reasons mostly revolving around the fact that everything Google does these days is crooked. Author mentions the built in ad-blocker. Did you know Google also banned AdNauseum from the play store for no reason other than it is _too disruptive_ to the online advertising marketplace? If I wasn't a professional web developer I wouldn't even have Chrome installed. Google can DIAF.

mitul_45 9y ago
Especially as a web developer, I gave Firefox a second chance and tried to use it's FirefoxDeveloperEdition - but debugging JavaScript was so painful. It somehow felt so slow compare to Chrome's JS debugger. Has anyone else felt this too?
- nol13 9y ago
  yup ff4life and all that but dev tools def slower
- fuzzy2 9y ago
  Yes. However, that's a recent development. Mozilla apparently overhauled the entire DevTools stuff. It's not even feature complete at the moment and it's really f*cking terrible.
- alde 9y ago
  Yes, FFs devtools are slow to the point of being unusable for me. I still use Firefox for general web surfing, but need to switch to Chrome for debugging/inspection.
gmemstr 9y ago
I think one of the biggest issues with AdNauseum is devaluing ads to a point it's no longer viable to show any because the adsense account (or alternative) will get flagged as fraud or ads will pay out far less, harming the publisher much more in the long run than an ad blocker. If I still ran ads on one of my websites, I would be very upset if this was the case. While I agree it is also probably in Google's best interest to sell ads at high prices, it does affect those who use adsense as well.
- originalsimba 9y ago
  So what? Here's the thing, Google doesn't have the authority to dictate what software you run on your computer. If you run a software that destroys their entire business model, tough cookies, they have to adapt or die. Taking steps to control what software users install on their own systems in order to protect your little market share is evil, crooked, and probably illegal. It's the sort of thing that causes corporations to be broken up, for example, App Store, Chrome, Adwords, all need to be separated into unrelated companies to eliminate the blatant conflict of interest which has existed for years. As an aside, this is evidence that advertising is dead. Technology that destroys the online ad model will continue to evolve and become more destructive and more disruptive. Attempts by corporations to censor free software because it challenges their revenue models is a display of desperation, fear, and inevitable collapse, if history has taught us anything on the matter. Thanks to AdNauseum and any similar forks, no corporation in the world, no matter how large or wealthy, can guarantee that their advertising model is honest or functional. You should assume that whatever data they use to bill you is faulty.
  - gmemstr 9y ago
    Alright, I'm not for or against Google - I appreciate the things they've done but really notice their shortcomings - I'd say I'm more "pro-sensible advertising". > Here's the thing, Google doesn't have the authority to dictate what software you run on your computer. No, but it can dictate what plugins are available in _their_ store for _their_ browser. Just use Firefox or manually install the plugins. They aren't stopping you completely, but when you're in their ecosystem you play by their rules. > App Store, Chrome, Adwords, all need to be separated into unrelated companies to eliminate the blatant conflict of interest Absolutely, and there are other competitors in this space. Google is too big at this point to spin those off. > As an aside, this is evidence that advertising is dead. It's not dead because there's no real valid alternative for the everyday website. A lot of users don't want to pay to browse your website past paying their ISP, and mining cryptocurrency isn't an option either. There was a project a little while back called F-U, Pay Me! by Datajoy (https://datajoy.us/fupm.html https://datajoy.us/fupm.html) that I wrote about that was a worthy replacement, but needs more traction to really take off. > Thanks to AdNauseum and any similar forks, no corporation in the world, no matter how large or wealthy, can guarantee that their advertising model is honest or functional. This is where advertising falls apart and it all becomes valueless, which I think is more destructive overall. Google offers a pretty good way of monetizing a website while they help themselves to analytics and a portion of the revenue. Google's AdSense getting shut down would mean (likely, speculation here) a lot of smaller hobby websites being killed off, and larger ones forced to gate access with a paywall. Ultimately, we need a DNS-based tip jar system, but that requires adoption. It's not impossible to run a website if you have a job, but if that website _is_ your job, you're out of luck.

mitul_45 9y ago

Especially as a web developer, I gave Firefox a second chance and tried to use it's FirefoxDeveloperEdition - but debugging JavaScript was so painful. It somehow felt so slow compare to Chrome's JS debugger. Has anyone else felt this too?

nol13 9y ago
yup ff4life and all that but dev tools def slower
fuzzy2 9y ago
Yes. However, that's a recent development. Mozilla apparently overhauled the entire DevTools stuff. It's not even feature complete at the moment and it's really f*cking terrible.
alde 9y ago
Yes, FFs devtools are slow to the point of being unusable for me. I still use Firefox for general web surfing, but need to switch to Chrome for debugging/inspection.

gmemstr 9y ago

I think one of the biggest issues with AdNauseum is devaluing ads to a point it's no longer viable to show any because the adsense account (or alternative) will get flagged as fraud or ads will pay out far less, harming the publisher much more in the long run than an ad blocker. If I still ran ads on one of my websites, I would be very upset if this was the case. While I agree it is also probably in Google's best interest to sell ads at high prices, it does affect those who use adsense as well.

originalsimba 9y ago
So what? Here's the thing, Google doesn't have the authority to dictate what software you run on your computer. If you run a software that destroys their entire business model, tough cookies, they have to adapt or die. Taking steps to control what software users install on their own systems in order to protect your little market share is evil, crooked, and probably illegal. It's the sort of thing that causes corporations to be broken up, for example, App Store, Chrome, Adwords, all need to be separated into unrelated companies to eliminate the blatant conflict of interest which has existed for years. As an aside, this is evidence that advertising is dead. Technology that destroys the online ad model will continue to evolve and become more destructive and more disruptive. Attempts by corporations to censor free software because it challenges their revenue models is a display of desperation, fear, and inevitable collapse, if history has taught us anything on the matter. Thanks to AdNauseum and any similar forks, no corporation in the world, no matter how large or wealthy, can guarantee that their advertising model is honest or functional. You should assume that whatever data they use to bill you is faulty.
- gmemstr 9y ago
  Alright, I'm not for or against Google - I appreciate the things they've done but really notice their shortcomings - I'd say I'm more "pro-sensible advertising". > Here's the thing, Google doesn't have the authority to dictate what software you run on your computer. No, but it can dictate what plugins are available in _their_ store for _their_ browser. Just use Firefox or manually install the plugins. They aren't stopping you completely, but when you're in their ecosystem you play by their rules. > App Store, Chrome, Adwords, all need to be separated into unrelated companies to eliminate the blatant conflict of interest Absolutely, and there are other competitors in this space. Google is too big at this point to spin those off. > As an aside, this is evidence that advertising is dead. It's not dead because there's no real valid alternative for the everyday website. A lot of users don't want to pay to browse your website past paying their ISP, and mining cryptocurrency isn't an option either. There was a project a little while back called F-U, Pay Me! by Datajoy (https://datajoy.us/fupm.html https://datajoy.us/fupm.html) that I wrote about that was a worthy replacement, but needs more traction to really take off. > Thanks to AdNauseum and any similar forks, no corporation in the world, no matter how large or wealthy, can guarantee that their advertising model is honest or functional. This is where advertising falls apart and it all becomes valueless, which I think is more destructive overall. Google offers a pretty good way of monetizing a website while they help themselves to analytics and a portion of the revenue. Google's AdSense getting shut down would mean (likely, speculation here) a lot of smaller hobby websites being killed off, and larger ones forced to gate access with a paywall. Ultimately, we need a DNS-based tip jar system, but that requires adoption. It's not impossible to run a website if you have a job, but if that website _is_ your job, you're out of luck.