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As someone who doesnt use facebook at all, or ever... I'm getting tired of this. The internet is not facebook. Facebook doesn't control you, and the internet do

As someone who doesnt use facebook at all, or ever... I'm getting tired of this. The internet is not facebook. Facebook doesn't control you, and the internet doesnt owe you an apology. The internet is a fantastic invention, that has opened up opportunities all over the world; has lessened communications costs drastically, and enabled capabilities we have never had before. If you are so outraged with facebook, stop going to it.

dschuetz 9y ago
...and the article is not about Facebook.
- rgbrenner 9y ago
  yes it is. It's 100% about facebook. Ads on the internet have been around for 25 years. Google alone has been selling ads for 18 years. What do you imagine caused them to write this story 2 days after Zuckerbergs apology testimony to congress?
  - nixpulvis 9y ago
    The recent motivation might be Facebook, it it's absolutely true that the internet as a whole is suffering. How bad has it been in the past, how much is a skewed lens is up for debate.
  - nickbauman 9y ago
    Ads have never been used quite the way they have in 2016 on Facebook. The network effects happen to be extremely strong for Facebook in particular but it could have been any incumbent that was the platform of greatest damage. Just because you don't use it doesn't mean we don't have a real problem here.
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  - nickbauman 9y ago
    And it's not even all about ads. Troll armies were not a thing until a few years ago.
dredmorbius 9y ago
"This particular business model, surveillance and targeted advertising, is not compatible with a healthy democracy" -- Zeynep Tufekci That's Facebook, Google, Twitter, Reddit, AdTech, all of Silicon Valley, VC, and most of infotech. https://www.npr.org/2018/04/12/601951556/can-social-media-have-a-structure-that-does-more-good-than-harm https://www.npr.org/2018/04/12/601951556/can-social-media-ha... "...The surveillance economy should die. This manner of advertising doesn’t serve the public and it’s not even clear it serves advertisers. It facilitates monopoly, as those with the biggest data troves receive all the ad dollars. That centralizes the potential for and magnitude of abuse, with Big Data used to discriminate against groups, steer vulnerable people to financial scams, and meddle in U.S. elections. Cambridge Analytica’s scraping of 87 million user profiles through a simple personality quiz, and then weaponizing that information on behalf of Donald Trump’s presidential campaign, revealed how information on social media is inherently insecure. Now Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg is appearing before Congress on Tuesday to explain how this won’t happen again...." -- David Dayen https://newrepublic.com/article/147887/ban-targeted-advertising-facebook-google https://newrepublic.com/article/147887/ban-targeted-advertis... And myself elsewhere: "Is there too much focus on Facebook?" Just heard on NPR. Facebook is, in this debate, both an exemplar and a synecdoche: it stands in for, variously, all of social media, infotech, online advertising, Silicon Valley, and surveillance capitalism. That last a term whose origins are in Shoshana Zuboff's 1970s research into the sociological impacts of early workplace automation and the inevitability of the use of those same technologies for surveillance and control: Everything that can be automated will be automated. Everything that can be informated will be informated. Every digital application that can be used for surveillance and control will be used for surveillance and control. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shoshana_Zuboff#Zuboff's_Laws https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shoshana_Zuboff#Zuboff's_Laws http://www.faz.net/aktuell/feuilleton/the-surveillance-paradigm-be-the-friction-our-response-to-the-new-lords-of-the-ring-12241996.html http://www.faz.net/aktuell/feuilleton/the-surveillance-parad... https://www.worldcat.org/title/in-the-age-of-the-smart-machine-the-future-of-work-and-power/oclc/60966402 https://www.worldcat.org/title/in-the-age-of-the-smart-machi...

dschuetz 9y ago

...and the article is not about Facebook.

rgbrenner 9y ago
yes it is. It's 100% about facebook. Ads on the internet have been around for 25 years. Google alone has been selling ads for 18 years. What do you imagine caused them to write this story 2 days after Zuckerbergs apology testimony to congress?
- nixpulvis 9y ago
  The recent motivation might be Facebook, it it's absolutely true that the internet as a whole is suffering. How bad has it been in the past, how much is a skewed lens is up for debate.
- nickbauman 9y ago
  Ads have never been used quite the way they have in 2016 on Facebook. The network effects happen to be extremely strong for Facebook in particular but it could have been any incumbent that was the platform of greatest damage. Just because you don't use it doesn't mean we don't have a real problem here.
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- nickbauman 9y ago
  And it's not even all about ads. Troll armies were not a thing until a few years ago.

dredmorbius 9y ago

"This particular business model, surveillance and targeted advertising, is not compatible with a healthy democracy" -- Zeynep Tufekci That's Facebook, Google, Twitter, Reddit, AdTech, all of Silicon Valley, VC, and most of infotech. https://www.npr.org/2018/04/12/601951556/can-social-media-have-a-structure-that-does-more-good-than-harm https://www.npr.org/2018/04/12/601951556/can-social-media-ha... "...The surveillance economy should die. This manner of advertising doesn’t serve the public and it’s not even clear it serves advertisers. It facilitates monopoly, as those with the biggest data troves receive all the ad dollars. That centralizes the potential for and magnitude of abuse, with Big Data used to discriminate against groups, steer vulnerable people to financial scams, and meddle in U.S. elections. Cambridge Analytica’s scraping of 87 million user profiles through a simple personality quiz, and then weaponizing that information on behalf of Donald Trump’s presidential campaign, revealed how information on social media is inherently insecure. Now Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg is appearing before Congress on Tuesday to explain how this won’t happen again...." -- David Dayen https://newrepublic.com/article/147887/ban-targeted-advertising-facebook-google https://newrepublic.com/article/147887/ban-targeted-advertis... And myself elsewhere: "Is there too much focus on Facebook?" Just heard on NPR. Facebook is, in this debate, both an exemplar and a synecdoche: it stands in for, variously, all of social media, infotech, online advertising, Silicon Valley, and surveillance capitalism. That last a term whose origins are in Shoshana Zuboff's 1970s research into the sociological impacts of early workplace automation and the inevitability of the use of those same technologies for surveillance and control: Everything that can be automated will be automated. Everything that can be informated will be informated. Every digital application that can be used for surveillance and control will be used for surveillance and control. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shoshana_Zuboff#Zuboff's_Laws https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shoshana_Zuboff#Zuboff's_Laws http://www.faz.net/aktuell/feuilleton/the-surveillance-paradigm-be-the-friction-our-response-to-the-new-lords-of-the-ring-12241996.html http://www.faz.net/aktuell/feuilleton/the-surveillance-parad... https://www.worldcat.org/title/in-the-age-of-the-smart-machine-the-future-of-work-and-power/oclc/60966402 https://www.worldcat.org/title/in-the-age-of-the-smart-machi...