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All countries in the world was pre-industrial monarchies just 150 years ago. Please point to your point. Moreover, in WWW2, USSR lost about 1/6 of population.

All countries in the world was pre-industrial monarchies just 150 years ago. Please point to your point. Moreover, in WWW2, USSR lost about 1/6 of population. It's hard to name such losses as "win". Western Allies, which is also at war with Germany, provided continuous aid to that "superpower" in addition to their own soldiers at war.

kwhitefoot 9y ago
> All countries in the world was pre-industrial monarchies just 150 years ago. Hardly. I can't speak for your country as you haven't mentioned it but mine was certainly not pre-industrial in 1868. Brunel was already dead by then (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isambard_Kingdom_Brunel https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isambard_Kingdom_Brunel) and Boulton and Watt were but a distant memory (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Watt https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Watt).
TheForumTroll 9y ago
>Western Allies, which is also at war with Germany, provided continuous aid to that "superpower" in addition to their own soldiers at war. On D-day the nazis were on the run, pushed back to Poland. The USSR did more than 90% of the winning and much of it before anyone else invaded. This thinking that the UK, US, etc. did anything near the winning that the USSR did is getting old. Of course we helped but it was a tiny drop in a big sea. The biggest help was by far the supplies to USSR, not the soldiers. Look at how people saw things back before the US spread its culture everywhere: https://www.les-crises.fr/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/poll-france-nations-contribution-nazis-defeat-1.jpg https://www.les-crises.fr/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/poll-fr... It says a lot.
- v_lisivka 9y ago
  USSR entered Poland in 1939, long before Allies. Is it your point? About polls: lies are quick to spread. In 1940, USSR was major enemy to France after Germany. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Pike https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Pike .
- Aloha 9y ago
  The war could not have been won without american material, period. That said, the russians did most of the dying to win the war. The Russians contributed blood, the americans, material, and the british, spirit - or so the old saying goes.
c-smile 9y ago
But far not all them had at their possession resources of half of rest world. Western Europe is all about that. How many colonial guldens are under each stone of town squares of its cities ... No surprise that technical revolution was originated there. Back to Russia... At WW1 it had no chances to confront rest of Europe. Like it was "shell hunger" in Russian army in 1916 - it's "industry" simply could not produce enough. But at WW2 time it did that - pretty much all Europe was working on Hitler's war machine. Rise of potential was tremendous if to consider that it happened between 1917 and 1941. Of course the only option of that burst was exploitation of its own people - Russia didn't get any (significant) investments from outside.
- Fins 9y ago
  By the time of the WWII it was just as bad; pretty much all of strategic supplies, explosives, fuel, etc. were coming from USA and UK. USSR supplied most of the manpower, but without the American military-industrial complex, Germans would have rolled all the way to the Pacific with no problem.
  - c-smile 9y ago
    "pretty much all of strategic supplies" That's simply not true. 58,000 of T34/T34-85 was produced during WW2 time. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_combat_vehicle_production_during_World_War_II https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_combat_vehicle_producti... That's just medium tanks - workhorse of the war. Total production of armored vehicles in USSR at WW2 > 100,000. While it got 19,510 tanks in total on Lend-Lease: https://ww2-weapons.com/lend-lease-tanks-and-aircrafts/ https://ww2-weapons.com/lend-lease-tanks-and-aircrafts/ Only 4,000 of them were Shermans - the only Lend-Lease tanks that were comparable at least somehow. All others were nicknamed "wheeled coffins". The same ratio is for aircrafts. As of fuel then only some high-octane ones - for some aircrafts.
    - v_lisivka 9y ago
      USSR lost about 2000 tanks at Dubno operation (1941) in one(!) battle, because of problems with engines, fuel, and lack of communication. Germans had no tanks at all at that time (according to USSR classification, Germans had light armored vehicles, with anti-riffle armor only). Tank is good only if it operational and under command.
coldtea 9y ago
>All countries in the world was pre-industrial monarchies just 150 years ago You'd be very surprised. >in addition to their own soldiers at war. All 20 of them?

kwhitefoot 9y ago

> All countries in the world was pre-industrial monarchies just 150 years ago. Hardly. I can't speak for your country as you haven't mentioned it but mine was certainly not pre-industrial in 1868. Brunel was already dead by then (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isambard_Kingdom_Brunel https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isambard_Kingdom_Brunel) and Boulton and Watt were but a distant memory (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Watt https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Watt).

TheForumTroll 9y ago

>Western Allies, which is also at war with Germany, provided continuous aid to that "superpower" in addition to their own soldiers at war. On D-day the nazis were on the run, pushed back to Poland. The USSR did more than 90% of the winning and much of it before anyone else invaded. This thinking that the UK, US, etc. did anything near the winning that the USSR did is getting old. Of course we helped but it was a tiny drop in a big sea. The biggest help was by far the supplies to USSR, not the soldiers. Look at how people saw things back before the US spread its culture everywhere: https://www.les-crises.fr/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/poll-france-nations-contribution-nazis-defeat-1.jpg https://www.les-crises.fr/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/poll-fr... It says a lot.

v_lisivka 9y ago
USSR entered Poland in 1939, long before Allies. Is it your point? About polls: lies are quick to spread. In 1940, USSR was major enemy to France after Germany. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Pike https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Pike .
Aloha 9y ago
The war could not have been won without american material, period. That said, the russians did most of the dying to win the war. The Russians contributed blood, the americans, material, and the british, spirit - or so the old saying goes.

c-smile 9y ago

But far not all them had at their possession resources of half of rest world. Western Europe is all about that. How many colonial guldens are under each stone of town squares of its cities ... No surprise that technical revolution was originated there. Back to Russia... At WW1 it had no chances to confront rest of Europe. Like it was "shell hunger" in Russian army in 1916 - it's "industry" simply could not produce enough. But at WW2 time it did that - pretty much all Europe was working on Hitler's war machine. Rise of potential was tremendous if to consider that it happened between 1917 and 1941. Of course the only option of that burst was exploitation of its own people - Russia didn't get any (significant) investments from outside.

Fins 9y ago
By the time of the WWII it was just as bad; pretty much all of strategic supplies, explosives, fuel, etc. were coming from USA and UK. USSR supplied most of the manpower, but without the American military-industrial complex, Germans would have rolled all the way to the Pacific with no problem.
- c-smile 9y ago
  "pretty much all of strategic supplies" That's simply not true. 58,000 of T34/T34-85 was produced during WW2 time. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_combat_vehicle_production_during_World_War_II https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_combat_vehicle_producti... That's just medium tanks - workhorse of the war. Total production of armored vehicles in USSR at WW2 > 100,000. While it got 19,510 tanks in total on Lend-Lease: https://ww2-weapons.com/lend-lease-tanks-and-aircrafts/ https://ww2-weapons.com/lend-lease-tanks-and-aircrafts/ Only 4,000 of them were Shermans - the only Lend-Lease tanks that were comparable at least somehow. All others were nicknamed "wheeled coffins". The same ratio is for aircrafts. As of fuel then only some high-octane ones - for some aircrafts.
  - v_lisivka 9y ago
    USSR lost about 2000 tanks at Dubno operation (1941) in one(!) battle, because of problems with engines, fuel, and lack of communication. Germans had no tanks at all at that time (according to USSR classification, Germans had light armored vehicles, with anti-riffle armor only). Tank is good only if it operational and under command.

coldtea 9y ago

>All countries in the world was pre-industrial monarchies just 150 years ago You'd be very surprised. >in addition to their own soldiers at war. All 20 of them?