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From the article: She hates school. “Elementary school: hated it,” Amber says. “Middle school: h-a-t-e-d it. School just isn’t for me. I hate coming to school.

by JPKab 9y ago

From the article: She hates school. “Elementary school: hated it,” Amber says. “Middle school: h-a-t-e-d it. School just isn’t for me. I hate coming to school. I hate waking up early. I hate homework.” Amber envisions a comfortable future that includes a family, a modern-yet-rustic house and a good job, maybe as a business owner Hmmmm. Not sure that much can be done, or should be done, to help lazy unmotivated people with unrealistic expectations.

sokoloff 9y ago
A Jack Handy deep thought applies here: It's easy to sit there and say you'd like to have more money. And I guess that's what I like about it. It's easy. Just sitting there, rocking back and forth, wanting that money. [0] - http://snltranscripts.jt.org/93/93ddeep1.phtml http://snltranscripts.jt.org/93/93ddeep1.phtml
maxerickson 9y ago
Maybe school shouldn't suck?
- paulddraper 9y ago
  Maybe jobs shouldn't suck too?
annabellish 9y ago
I'm not sure how you got that impression from this article. We don't learn very much about Amber, but nothing in there seems to suggest that she's unable or unwilling to work as hard as anybody else to achieve her dreams, merely that school doesn't offer any options which are appealing to her. I think it's very disingenuous to suggest that any paths which are not supported in current schools are "lazy and unmotivated". It's a story so common as to be a trope in media for the school dropout to end up going on to great things once they find an avenue for their enthusiasm, and the article hints that Amber may be finding something like that in her culinary work. How, then, is this meaningfully different from typically well-recieved stories about teenagers who don't get on with school but are enthusiastic engineers or programmers? The specific path is different, but the story is the same. Why should one be interpreted as "potentially the next Bill Gates" and the other as "lazy unmotivated"?
- paulddraper 9y ago
  > I hate waking up early. I've never seen a school start earlier than 8:15am.
  - JeremyBanks 9y ago
    https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.theglobeandmail.com/amp/news/national/education/delaying-school-start-times-gives-students-better-chance-of-success-study/article33712790/ https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.theglobeandmail.com/amp/news...
  - annabellish 9y ago
    8:15am is pretty darn early for an every day start. I know that personally I find starting work even at 9am less than ideal, and so shift those hours forward. You can't do that with school for obvious reasons, but that doesn't mean people who aren't morning people are lazy and unmotivated.
    - paulddraper 9y ago
      > 8:15am is pretty darn early for an every day start. ??? That's less than 4 hours before noon.... Most americans[1] are awake by 6:30am. If you sleep past 7:30am you are in the last 1 out of 6. [1] http://www.edisonresearch.com/wake-me-up-series-2/ http://www.edisonresearch.com/wake-me-up-series-2/
      - annabellish 9y ago
        Okay? 8:15am is the start of _a school day_, not the point at which a student wakes up. That's significantly earlier than the average work day, and nobody suggested the average worker woke at 9am. Are we just assuming students don't have commute times here? That isn't true for a _lot_ of people.
  - HeyLaughingBoy 9y ago
    My 11th grader's high school starts at 7:10AM
distances 9y ago
> Hmmmm. Not sure that much can be done, or should be done, to help lazy unmotivated people with unrealistic expectations. Of course high school students have incomplete and partly unrealistic wishes and expectations. There's so much to learn still -- it really requires some time to fully grasp how society functions. Furthermore, it's deeply unfair to label someone as lazy if they don't fit the normal school mold. People learn differently, and thrive in different jobs and skills. If you read the article in full, you'll notice she now has an after-school job which she loves. That sounds like a great start to me.
sethrin 9y ago
Waking up early is harder for kids, and there's no particularly good evidence in favor of homework. These are perfectly valid complaints.

by JPKab 9y ago

sokoloff 9y ago

A Jack Handy deep thought applies here: It's easy to sit there and say you'd like to have more money. And I guess that's what I like about it. It's easy. Just sitting there, rocking back and forth, wanting that money. [0] - http://snltranscripts.jt.org/93/93ddeep1.phtml http://snltranscripts.jt.org/93/93ddeep1.phtml

maxerickson 9y ago

Maybe school shouldn't suck?

paulddraper 9y ago
Maybe jobs shouldn't suck too?

annabellish 9y ago

I'm not sure how you got that impression from this article. We don't learn very much about Amber, but nothing in there seems to suggest that she's unable or unwilling to work as hard as anybody else to achieve her dreams, merely that school doesn't offer any options which are appealing to her. I think it's very disingenuous to suggest that any paths which are not supported in current schools are "lazy and unmotivated". It's a story so common as to be a trope in media for the school dropout to end up going on to great things once they find an avenue for their enthusiasm, and the article hints that Amber may be finding something like that in her culinary work. How, then, is this meaningfully different from typically well-recieved stories about teenagers who don't get on with school but are enthusiastic engineers or programmers? The specific path is different, but the story is the same. Why should one be interpreted as "potentially the next Bill Gates" and the other as "lazy unmotivated"?

paulddraper 9y ago
> I hate waking up early. I've never seen a school start earlier than 8:15am.
- JeremyBanks 9y ago
  https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.theglobeandmail.com/amp/news/national/education/delaying-school-start-times-gives-students-better-chance-of-success-study/article33712790/ https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.theglobeandmail.com/amp/news...
- annabellish 9y ago
  8:15am is pretty darn early for an every day start. I know that personally I find starting work even at 9am less than ideal, and so shift those hours forward. You can't do that with school for obvious reasons, but that doesn't mean people who aren't morning people are lazy and unmotivated.
  - paulddraper 9y ago
    > 8:15am is pretty darn early for an every day start. ??? That's less than 4 hours before noon.... Most americans[1] are awake by 6:30am. If you sleep past 7:30am you are in the last 1 out of 6. [1] http://www.edisonresearch.com/wake-me-up-series-2/ http://www.edisonresearch.com/wake-me-up-series-2/
    - annabellish 9y ago
      Okay? 8:15am is the start of _a school day_, not the point at which a student wakes up. That's significantly earlier than the average work day, and nobody suggested the average worker woke at 9am. Are we just assuming students don't have commute times here? That isn't true for a _lot_ of people.
- HeyLaughingBoy 9y ago
  My 11th grader's high school starts at 7:10AM

distances 9y ago

> Hmmmm. Not sure that much can be done, or should be done, to help lazy unmotivated people with unrealistic expectations. Of course high school students have incomplete and partly unrealistic wishes and expectations. There's so much to learn still -- it really requires some time to fully grasp how society functions. Furthermore, it's deeply unfair to label someone as lazy if they don't fit the normal school mold. People learn differently, and thrive in different jobs and skills. If you read the article in full, you'll notice she now has an after-school job which she loves. That sounds like a great start to me.

sethrin 9y ago

Waking up early is harder for kids, and there's no particularly good evidence in favor of homework. These are perfectly valid complaints.