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Because you end up with emails that are 24 pages long as the entire history is included in there, because it doesn’t thread properly and 90% of the email I rece

Because you end up with emails that are 24 pages long as the entire history is included in there, because it doesn’t thread properly and 90% of the email I receive is meaningless crap that I just delete or spam (which in turn means that my daughters generation only use it to sign up for services which send them crap so they use it even less)

ktosobcy 9y ago
this is more a problem with misuse and not email itself. * actual threading is better as you always see to which mail the reply belong (except for the retarded Gmail conversation view...) * quoting - if you are doing 'char like then turn it off / remove), for more in-depth discussions it's very handy. * keep your address private and sane - I rarely receive spam and if some website sends me crap I unsubscribe (or cancel account). there is a' delta chat app that uses email as 'backend' and it works quite well)
- u801e 9y ago
  > this is more a problem with misuse and not email itself. That's true, but the vast majority of users misuse email and the vast majority of clients do not bother with properly threading it. So conversations become very cumbersome. On usenet, it was easy to have threads that were hundreds of posts long with multiple conversations going on, and pretty easy to jump into one of the subthreads to post a response. Email could be the same way, but not with the way things are today.
  - ktosobcy 9y ago
    But usenet and email use the same technique for threading (message-ids and refs). It works like a charm in Thunderbird and Outlook for example. The problem is that this seems to complex for "regular Joe" so more and more providers are ending up with "conversation view" where they group all mails in single thread and then display it in linear way, which is "odd" to say the least…
- rahoulb 9y ago
  If you want it to become common place then it has to be easier to use it "correctly" than "wrongly".
  - ktosobcy 9y ago
    So… we end up with more and more dumbed down version of everything because "too difficult"? Also - hitting reply button is quite natural and it works like a charm and threads correctly. The problem is - predominance of gmail, which threw away concept of threads in favour of conversation and now we are all screwed…

ktosobcy 9y ago

this is more a problem with misuse and not email itself. * actual threading is better as you always see to which mail the reply belong (except for the retarded Gmail conversation view...) * quoting - if you are doing 'char like then turn it off / remove), for more in-depth discussions it's very handy. * keep your address private and sane - I rarely receive spam and if some website sends me crap I unsubscribe (or cancel account). there is a' delta chat app that uses email as 'backend' and it works quite well)

u801e 9y ago
> this is more a problem with misuse and not email itself. That's true, but the vast majority of users misuse email and the vast majority of clients do not bother with properly threading it. So conversations become very cumbersome. On usenet, it was easy to have threads that were hundreds of posts long with multiple conversations going on, and pretty easy to jump into one of the subthreads to post a response. Email could be the same way, but not with the way things are today.
- ktosobcy 9y ago
  But usenet and email use the same technique for threading (message-ids and refs). It works like a charm in Thunderbird and Outlook for example. The problem is that this seems to complex for "regular Joe" so more and more providers are ending up with "conversation view" where they group all mails in single thread and then display it in linear way, which is "odd" to say the least…
rahoulb 9y ago
If you want it to become common place then it has to be easier to use it "correctly" than "wrongly".
- ktosobcy 9y ago
  So… we end up with more and more dumbed down version of everything because "too difficult"? Also - hitting reply button is quite natural and it works like a charm and threads correctly. The problem is - predominance of gmail, which threw away concept of threads in favour of conversation and now we are all screwed…