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Isn't reading the kind of thing that should be taught by parents before the kid even goes to school? I have no idea how kids manage to learn how to read at all

Isn't reading the kind of thing that should be taught by parents before the kid even goes to school? I have no idea how kids manage to learn how to read at all in schools, American or otherwise. Reading is... difficult. The school environment does not promote the study of difficult things well. If you haven't been prepared, you'll have trouble. Sometimes I'm not sure what we're measuring, education quality or just how good someone's parents are. Pretty much everything I knew that helped me at school/college did not come from school/college.

learc83 9y ago
>Isn't reading the kind of thing that should be taught by parents before the kid even goes to school? No, most kids in the US start school at the age of 5. Consensus is building that forcing kids to learn to read before they are read is detrimental, and the vast majority of kids aren't ready to read before they are 5.
- projektir 9y ago
  I'm not mentioning age anywhere in my post? I don't recall starting school at 5, I think it was later than that, but it wasn't in the US. In the first grade already if I didn't know how to read prior, I'd be in huge trouble. Most students were actively struggling to read and continued to struggle for 2 more grades. If you are not ready to read at 5 before school, why would you be ready to read at 5 in school? Why would teaching someone to read 3 months prior would be so much more horrible than waiting for them to hit the school system and suffer in there instead? If that's the argument, school should just start later. I came into the US school system late but people were seriously struggling with reading in 6th grade, as well. People for whom English was their native language. I am not really seeing that parental interference is not needed. > Consensus is building that forcing kids to learn to read before they are read(y) This is a tautology. I'm not sure what is the magical age at which children are "ready" to read, but I am very sure that people should be able to comfortably read by grade 6, and I'm similarly very sure that the educational system alone won't accomplish that.
  - learc83 9y ago
    >I'm not mentioning age anywhere in my post? You said "Isn't reading the kind of thing that should be taught by parents before the kid even goes to school?". Since most countries start school at either 5 or 6, 5-6 is implied in that statement. > If you are not ready to read at 5 before school, why would you be ready to read at 5 in school? You wouldn't. 5 is probably too early for most kids, less than than 5 is too early for an even greater number of kids. 3 months is 5% of a 5-year-old's life. Starting 3 months before starting school, which is probably already too early, isn't going to be helpful for most students. >If that's the argument, school should just start later. School probably should start later. In Finland, one of the highest ranked school systems, kids start at 7. >I am not really seeing that parental interference is not needed. Where did you get that? I said most children shouldn't be forced to learn to read before they go to school--not that parents should never teach their children. >This is a tautology. No, it's not that children won't learn to read before they are ready. It's that forcing them to try to learn before they are ready is actively harmful. >but I am very sure that people should be able to comfortably read by grade 6, and I'm similarly very sure that the educational system alone won't accomplish that. You're arguing against points I'm not making.

learc83 9y ago

>Isn't reading the kind of thing that should be taught by parents before the kid even goes to school? No, most kids in the US start school at the age of 5. Consensus is building that forcing kids to learn to read before they are read is detrimental, and the vast majority of kids aren't ready to read before they are 5.

projektir 9y ago
I'm not mentioning age anywhere in my post? I don't recall starting school at 5, I think it was later than that, but it wasn't in the US. In the first grade already if I didn't know how to read prior, I'd be in huge trouble. Most students were actively struggling to read and continued to struggle for 2 more grades. If you are not ready to read at 5 before school, why would you be ready to read at 5 in school? Why would teaching someone to read 3 months prior would be so much more horrible than waiting for them to hit the school system and suffer in there instead? If that's the argument, school should just start later. I came into the US school system late but people were seriously struggling with reading in 6th grade, as well. People for whom English was their native language. I am not really seeing that parental interference is not needed. > Consensus is building that forcing kids to learn to read before they are read(y) This is a tautology. I'm not sure what is the magical age at which children are "ready" to read, but I am very sure that people should be able to comfortably read by grade 6, and I'm similarly very sure that the educational system alone won't accomplish that.
- learc83 9y ago
  >I'm not mentioning age anywhere in my post? You said "Isn't reading the kind of thing that should be taught by parents before the kid even goes to school?". Since most countries start school at either 5 or 6, 5-6 is implied in that statement. > If you are not ready to read at 5 before school, why would you be ready to read at 5 in school? You wouldn't. 5 is probably too early for most kids, less than than 5 is too early for an even greater number of kids. 3 months is 5% of a 5-year-old's life. Starting 3 months before starting school, which is probably already too early, isn't going to be helpful for most students. >If that's the argument, school should just start later. School probably should start later. In Finland, one of the highest ranked school systems, kids start at 7. >I am not really seeing that parental interference is not needed. Where did you get that? I said most children shouldn't be forced to learn to read before they go to school--not that parents should never teach their children. >This is a tautology. No, it's not that children won't learn to read before they are ready. It's that forcing them to try to learn before they are ready is actively harmful. >but I am very sure that people should be able to comfortably read by grade 6, and I'm similarly very sure that the educational system alone won't accomplish that. You're arguing against points I'm not making.