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I'd say one of the biggest shifts since 1998 is the wider availability of the internet and then computer like devices in school. Instead of doing the rote learn

I'd say one of the biggest shifts since 1998 is the wider availability of the internet and then computer like devices in school. Instead of doing the rote learning, they make learning into a game. Where everyone advances at a glacial pace from what I've seen. Now that kids are growing up using handheld phones/tablets for their consumption, the likelihood of them sitting down and reading a book (be it digital or paper) seems less likely than during my childhood when we had to dream about these futuristic gadgets.

__s 9y ago
Kind of weird how the internet cuts both ways For some education was too slow relative to the potential learning of the internet. But now the internet is hampering education Meanwhile the internet is seen as an equalizer to dispense information globally. Yet software eating the world is siphoning wealth inequality into the hands of a few Another: it's a medium for the most distributed uncensored encrypted communications, while also allowing intelligence organizations to pry deeper than they've ever in the past
- 21 9y ago
  So some days ago there was this article how todays teenagers are bored to death on their phone, and constantly swap between social media apps looking for some engagement. There was a video to. The most amazing thing to me was that none of these teenagers even considered using the device to educate themselves, like reading an article on wikipedia or watching a documentary on youtube.
brightball 9y ago
For what it’s worth, I basically had to force my son to read the 1st Harry Potter book. It’s slightly above his grade level and I had to actually ban him from electronics until it was finished and we quizzed him on it to make sure he actually read it. There were tears because he felt it was too hard without really trying. After he finished it, he loved it. He’s on book 3 now, reads every night because he wants to, makes a point to take the books with him, takes the accelerated reader tests for them at school (and aces them). Now the kid loves reading... :)
- rootusrootus 9y ago
  Is that because the electronics were more attractive, or because he was still in the 'learn to read' phase and it was work to get through a large book? Crossing the threshold into 'read to learn' skill level is a huge turning point in how a kid looks at books [in my experience].
  - vostok 9y ago
    As an adult, I think it's because electronics are more attractive. As a kid, I gladly slogged through the Silmarillion. Given my choice of verb, I'm not sure that I could do it today. Reading the comments on HN gives me a much quicker and sharper burst of pleasure.
    - rootusrootus 9y ago
      My hats off to you. I didn't try Silmarillion until I was in my 20s, but I was unable to stick with it to the end. I think it has to be the social part, not the electronics per se. When I was a tween, we had mostly non-networked PCs and games (e.g. Atari, NES). We played on them plenty, to be sure, but I still spent most of my time with friends outdoors. Today it seems like most games have a social aspect to them, and right along with reading/replying to comments on places like HN, it's the feeling of connectedness that is addicting. Electronics is how, not the why. In my opinion :)
  - brightball 9y ago
    We already have a system in place at our house where you earn 30 minute slips (for electronic time) so it wasn’t so much a choice between what to do. When he did read he was just choosing really easy, below grade level stuff and wanting to read them over and over again. This was more about getting through something that took longer than 30 minutes to read. I knew he’d love it, he just wouldn’t see it through. Removing electronics til it was done just made it a non-optional task.
- Izkata 9y ago
  When I was a kid, I didn't care for reading very much - but I was into animals. Then one day with my parents at the local drugstore, I spotted a book with a kid turning into a jaguar on the cover [0] and begged my parents to get it. I was a bit lost, since it was in the middle of a series, but it was the first book I remember wanting to read, and it was also my introduction to science-fiction. From then on I always had a sci-fi or fantasy book nearby, and I still have my original copies of that entire series. Because of that, and from what gradeschool friends have said, I've always been of the opinion that reading is too often introduced to kids the wrong way, through textbooks or very dry non-fiction, instead of through topics they'd actually find interesting. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Forgotten_(Applegate_novel) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Forgotten_(Applegate_novel...
nickysielicki 9y ago
The internet makes dumb kids dumber and smart kids smarter.

__s 9y ago

Kind of weird how the internet cuts both ways For some education was too slow relative to the potential learning of the internet. But now the internet is hampering education Meanwhile the internet is seen as an equalizer to dispense information globally. Yet software eating the world is siphoning wealth inequality into the hands of a few Another: it's a medium for the most distributed uncensored encrypted communications, while also allowing intelligence organizations to pry deeper than they've ever in the past

21 9y ago
So some days ago there was this article how todays teenagers are bored to death on their phone, and constantly swap between social media apps looking for some engagement. There was a video to. The most amazing thing to me was that none of these teenagers even considered using the device to educate themselves, like reading an article on wikipedia or watching a documentary on youtube.

brightball 9y ago

For what it’s worth, I basically had to force my son to read the 1st Harry Potter book. It’s slightly above his grade level and I had to actually ban him from electronics until it was finished and we quizzed him on it to make sure he actually read it. There were tears because he felt it was too hard without really trying. After he finished it, he loved it. He’s on book 3 now, reads every night because he wants to, makes a point to take the books with him, takes the accelerated reader tests for them at school (and aces them). Now the kid loves reading... :)

rootusrootus 9y ago
Is that because the electronics were more attractive, or because he was still in the 'learn to read' phase and it was work to get through a large book? Crossing the threshold into 'read to learn' skill level is a huge turning point in how a kid looks at books [in my experience].
- vostok 9y ago
  As an adult, I think it's because electronics are more attractive. As a kid, I gladly slogged through the Silmarillion. Given my choice of verb, I'm not sure that I could do it today. Reading the comments on HN gives me a much quicker and sharper burst of pleasure.
  - rootusrootus 9y ago
    My hats off to you. I didn't try Silmarillion until I was in my 20s, but I was unable to stick with it to the end. I think it has to be the social part, not the electronics per se. When I was a tween, we had mostly non-networked PCs and games (e.g. Atari, NES). We played on them plenty, to be sure, but I still spent most of my time with friends outdoors. Today it seems like most games have a social aspect to them, and right along with reading/replying to comments on places like HN, it's the feeling of connectedness that is addicting. Electronics is how, not the why. In my opinion :)
- brightball 9y ago
  We already have a system in place at our house where you earn 30 minute slips (for electronic time) so it wasn’t so much a choice between what to do. When he did read he was just choosing really easy, below grade level stuff and wanting to read them over and over again. This was more about getting through something that took longer than 30 minutes to read. I knew he’d love it, he just wouldn’t see it through. Removing electronics til it was done just made it a non-optional task.
Izkata 9y ago
When I was a kid, I didn't care for reading very much - but I was into animals. Then one day with my parents at the local drugstore, I spotted a book with a kid turning into a jaguar on the cover [0] and begged my parents to get it. I was a bit lost, since it was in the middle of a series, but it was the first book I remember wanting to read, and it was also my introduction to science-fiction. From then on I always had a sci-fi or fantasy book nearby, and I still have my original copies of that entire series. Because of that, and from what gradeschool friends have said, I've always been of the opinion that reading is too often introduced to kids the wrong way, through textbooks or very dry non-fiction, instead of through topics they'd actually find interesting. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Forgotten_(Applegate_novel) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Forgotten_(Applegate_novel...

nickysielicki 9y ago

The internet makes dumb kids dumber and smart kids smarter.