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A picture is worth a thousand words. The sculpture outside the front of Tencents Shenzhen HQ. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DXRIsWrVQAAJgjl.jpg https://pbs.twimg

A picture is worth a thousand words. The sculpture outside the front of Tencents Shenzhen HQ. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DXRIsWrVQAAJgjl.jpg https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DXRIsWrVQAAJgjl.jpg

tanilama 9y ago
LOL...
mlvljr 9y ago
Haha
ataturk 9y ago
Technology is the boot on the human face forever.
onetimemanytime 9y ago
Go ahead and not put that sign in there. See how long you last. Also, it's possible that they believe it, say, "China needs this to be a strong country" even if some freedoms are sacrificed. A necessary evil for a while. As for nationalizing: they are in a sense nationalized. You must x, y and z or you're done. The Party is judge, jury and the executioner.
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jarsin 9y ago
This is the company that seems to be investing in just about everything now days. Scary!
alehul 9y ago
As someone with parents who experienced the USSR, this is what really terrifies me about China's rise, and the reason I can't say I'm against a trade war if it hinders them more than us. Imagine a world in which China holds more control... a country with little legal or social respect for individualism, where your fate is 'centrally planned' by how impressive your maths skills are. By contrast, ~30% of American billionaires are dropouts. We highly value ambition in the U.S., and we attract (and reward) people who have it; those people, upon coming here, largely have the freedom to create and build and be in charge of their own future. It just seems like the U.S. will self-select for the ambitious and the inspired and those who desire freedom, and it would be immensely worrying if this model we have appears wrong.
- qweqw123 9y ago
  arent's you romanticizing the US a bit much? the country was built by slaves. "the US will self-select for the ambitious and the inspired and those who desire freedom" this is just hogwash
  - alehul 9y ago
    Sorry if you found it offensive. I'm definitely romanticizing the U.S. quite a bit. At the same time, that romanticization is inspiring (at least to me) and largely true today when you compare us to countries like China, where you have much less control over your future. Also, moving to a country that provides greater freedom and opportunity at the cost of less of a social net and lower taxes will almost definitely self-select for the ambitious. Slavery also continued in practice in China until at least 1949 [1] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_China https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_China
    - pm90 9y ago
      Forced labor camps still exist in China, to this day https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laogai https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laogai
      - arcticbull 9y ago
        What do you call a US prison farm? [1] Even Wikipedia acknowledges that "the concepts of prison farm and labor camp overlap." Labor camps are even explicitly permitted by the 13th amendment "... which ended slavery, specifically perpetuated the concept of penal servitude – i.e., unfree labor as a punishment for a crime." [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prison_farm https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prison_farm
        pm90 9y ago
        There is a difference between political prisoners and criminals. There is a rule of law in the US which means you cannot arbitrarily imprison anyone; there is due process and a trial. That is missing from the Chinese Judicial System which makes it much more akin to Slave Labor.
NetOpWibby 9y ago
Wow.
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contingencies 9y ago
If you were running the largest network of communications in any country you would also have a political requirement to maintain a public hat-tip to government at all times as well as private cooperation. While the brusque visual nature of this sculpture is admittedly unnerving, I can assure you based on nearly 20 years in the country that it is not some sort of oppressive symbolism but rather more likely a PR designed retro-communique to traditional party socialist mores in order to stave off criticism from party hardliners. Government interface is simply the nature of society and a requirement of big business everywhere. The US included.

A picture is worth a thousand words. The sculpture outside the front of Tencents Shenzhen HQ. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DXRIsWrVQAAJgjl.jpg https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DXRIsWrVQAAJgjl.jpg

tanilama 9y ago

LOL...

mlvljr 9y ago

Haha

ataturk 9y ago

Technology is the boot on the human face forever.

onetimemanytime 9y ago

Go ahead and not put that sign in there. See how long you last. Also, it's possible that they believe it, say, "China needs this to be a strong country" even if some freedoms are sacrificed. A necessary evil for a while. As for nationalizing: they are in a sense nationalized. You must x, y and z or you're done. The Party is judge, jury and the executioner.

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jarsin 9y ago

This is the company that seems to be investing in just about everything now days. Scary!

alehul 9y ago

As someone with parents who experienced the USSR, this is what really terrifies me about China's rise, and the reason I can't say I'm against a trade war if it hinders them more than us. Imagine a world in which China holds more control... a country with little legal or social respect for individualism, where your fate is 'centrally planned' by how impressive your maths skills are. By contrast, ~30% of American billionaires are dropouts. We highly value ambition in the U.S., and we attract (and reward) people who have it; those people, upon coming here, largely have the freedom to create and build and be in charge of their own future. It just seems like the U.S. will self-select for the ambitious and the inspired and those who desire freedom, and it would be immensely worrying if this model we have appears wrong.

qweqw123 9y ago
arent's you romanticizing the US a bit much? the country was built by slaves. "the US will self-select for the ambitious and the inspired and those who desire freedom" this is just hogwash
- alehul 9y ago
  Sorry if you found it offensive. I'm definitely romanticizing the U.S. quite a bit. At the same time, that romanticization is inspiring (at least to me) and largely true today when you compare us to countries like China, where you have much less control over your future. Also, moving to a country that provides greater freedom and opportunity at the cost of less of a social net and lower taxes will almost definitely self-select for the ambitious. Slavery also continued in practice in China until at least 1949 [1] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_China https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_China
  - pm90 9y ago
    Forced labor camps still exist in China, to this day https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laogai https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laogai
    - arcticbull 9y ago
      What do you call a US prison farm? [1] Even Wikipedia acknowledges that "the concepts of prison farm and labor camp overlap." Labor camps are even explicitly permitted by the 13th amendment "... which ended slavery, specifically perpetuated the concept of penal servitude – i.e., unfree labor as a punishment for a crime." [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prison_farm https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prison_farm
      - pm90 9y ago
        There is a difference between political prisoners and criminals. There is a rule of law in the US which means you cannot arbitrarily imprison anyone; there is due process and a trial. That is missing from the Chinese Judicial System which makes it much more akin to Slave Labor.

NetOpWibby 9y ago

Wow.

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contingencies 9y ago

If you were running the largest network of communications in any country you would also have a political requirement to maintain a public hat-tip to government at all times as well as private cooperation. While the brusque visual nature of this sculpture is admittedly unnerving, I can assure you based on nearly 20 years in the country that it is not some sort of oppressive symbolism but rather more likely a PR designed retro-communique to traditional party socialist mores in order to stave off criticism from party hardliners. Government interface is simply the nature of society and a requirement of big business everywhere. The US included.