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>> Where's a valid technological problem? I see the problem being that there's true information out there that is unpleasant to somebody, and that somebody want

>> Where's a valid technological problem? I see the problem being that there's true information out there that is unpleasant to somebody, and that somebody wants to force others to not be able to access that information. I feel it is basically a cultural issue. Many Europeans (including me) believe that the "right to be forgotten" is real, i.e. we want that right. Company with american cultural roots feels differently, so there's a clash. The main problem is that Google doesn't want to submit to our European culture; which is fine, they can fight in court.

saimis 9y ago
I’m an European and I’m completeley against this kind of censoring. Europe is not homogenous, don’t generalize. And this right to be forgotten is not a “human right” it’s a second chance, a gift, that should be given cautiously. Next time some polititian will want something to be forgotten.
- Trundle 9y ago
  If they declare it a right then it's a right. That's all that word means.
  - smsm42 9y ago
    No, actually that's not what the word means. Otherwise you'd have no rights outside of what "they declare" - i.e. if "they" don't say you're human, you are not human and you have to agree with it. Nobody really believes in that.
  - walshemj 9y ago
    Depends a lot of European constitutions seem to be based on you plebs have the rights "we as in the king or other ellites" give you not inalienable rights.
- drdaeman 9y ago
  > Next time some politician We had that in Russia since 2016, and your guess how it works is exactly correct (e.g. see Skrynnik vs Yandex case).
smsm42 9y ago
Oh, there's nothing wrong with wanting to control other's thoughts and actions. I want everybody to give me money, for nothing, just out of sheer love to me, and execute every wish I have, quickly and eagerly. Believing others have an obligation to do it and you can use governmental coercion to force it and calling it "right" indeed sounds kinda bizarre. But then again, a lot of things in contemporary Europe look kinda bizarre to me...
Guidii 9y ago
Thanks - it's helpful to hear your perspective on this. What I don't understand though, is how this is supposed to help. If you want a fact to disappear, shouldn't you work that out with the publisher? Until you do that, it isn't really forgotten... just kind of badly remembered. I mean, people can still access that story as long as it's on the internet.

saimis 9y ago

I’m an European and I’m completeley against this kind of censoring. Europe is not homogenous, don’t generalize. And this right to be forgotten is not a “human right” it’s a second chance, a gift, that should be given cautiously. Next time some polititian will want something to be forgotten.

Trundle 9y ago
If they declare it a right then it's a right. That's all that word means.
- smsm42 9y ago
  No, actually that's not what the word means. Otherwise you'd have no rights outside of what "they declare" - i.e. if "they" don't say you're human, you are not human and you have to agree with it. Nobody really believes in that.
- walshemj 9y ago
  Depends a lot of European constitutions seem to be based on you plebs have the rights "we as in the king or other ellites" give you not inalienable rights.
drdaeman 9y ago
> Next time some politician We had that in Russia since 2016, and your guess how it works is exactly correct (e.g. see Skrynnik vs Yandex case).

smsm42 9y ago

Oh, there's nothing wrong with wanting to control other's thoughts and actions. I want everybody to give me money, for nothing, just out of sheer love to me, and execute every wish I have, quickly and eagerly. Believing others have an obligation to do it and you can use governmental coercion to force it and calling it "right" indeed sounds kinda bizarre. But then again, a lot of things in contemporary Europe look kinda bizarre to me...

Guidii 9y ago

Thanks - it's helpful to hear your perspective on this. What I don't understand though, is how this is supposed to help. If you want a fact to disappear, shouldn't you work that out with the publisher? Until you do that, it isn't really forgotten... just kind of badly remembered. I mean, people can still access that story as long as it's on the internet.