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Lunacy. Under what rule, law or authority are we just allowed to bomb/attack other nations? Imagine if china, russia or any other nation acted like this. The me
by youpassbutter 8y ago
Lunacy. Under what rule, law or authority are we just allowed to bomb/attack other nations? Imagine if china, russia or any other nation acted like this. The media would be screaming bloody murder and calling other nations evil, depraved, etc. When we do it, it's "strikes on chemical weapons sites", it's for democracy, it's for freedom. One day, I hope leaders of all nations are held to account for their crimes and not just the leaders of poor and weak countries. And most importantly, I hope one day the media are held accountable for their part in war mongering as well. Rule of law should be applied to all, not just the poor and weak.
- WrtCdEvrydy 8y agoI mean, he did gas his own people...
- youpassbutter 8y agoOf course he did. Just like saddam had his soldiers kill babies in incubators. You have to be extremely naive to believe government and media lies.
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- bilbo0s 8y agoLook, we can only go by what we're told. We, the people, have no ability at all to ascertain the veracity of assertions of this nature made by our government. It's not that we're naive, it's that we are in no position to go to Syria and watch every second of the hostilities so that attribution can be made independently of government agencies and the media. If Assad did do it, then we are simply responding to what he did. If Assad didn't do it, well, it's not the first time our government has lied to us. Either way, this military action will not have much effect on the outcome of the conflict so it's not as if we're messing anything up too bad.
- colordrops 8y agoThat's a horrible way to go about modeling reality. What the government says is only tiny portion of the information we have on any situation. We also have what 200 other governments say, what academics say, what thousands of different journalists say, what historical precedent says, and what your own logic and intuition says. Your obedience to the government narrative makes you the perfect tool of those in power.
- deelowe 8y agoThe president is supposed to get approval from congress before entering into war. As citizens who are subject to a draft, we should care greatly about this...
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- m52go 8y agoMattis recently admitted that there's still no evidence of the chemical weapons usage from last year. Chemical weapons inspectors are supposed to be starting their work on the 14th. And we start bombing with confidence the day of? Nothing is adding up. LET ALONE THE LEGALITY OF IT. Sorry, I'm mad.
- colordrops 8y agoAnd how do you know this exactly? By listening to the same media WMD drum beat that caused the Iraq war?
- bitcurious 8y agoRussia annexed parts of Ukraine and Georgia.
- my_username_is_ 8y agoNot that it makes it right, but Russia essentially did just attack Ukraine one day in order to annex Crimea
- youpassbutter 8y agoRight. And russia was sanctioned and attacked mercilessly by the media and the international community. That's my point. Russia was wrong. And so are we.
- mc32 8y agoWhen was it clear to allies to enter WWII? Should we have waited for the rule of law there too? I agree we should disengage from the nation building nonsense Bush and Obama got into, but when Pol Pot copy cats come along, root them out.
- dingaling 8y ago> but when Pol Pot copy cats come along, root them out Probably not the best example. The "free countries" did nothing about the Khmer Rouge and it was left to post-unification Vietnam to invade Cambodia and clean up the mess. Vietnam was then sanctioned for its aggressive invasion of a sovereign nation..
- mc32 8y agoThey unequivocally did the right thing. He was killing millions while the likes of Chomsky defended his unnamed regime.
- almostApatriot1 8y agowhat are you talking about? Russia has troops on the ground there. They invaded the Ukraine as well. They shot down a plane full of Dutch people flying to Malaysia. We have a rule of law. It's called the Geneva Protocol and Assad violated it!
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- steve19 8y agoNew account ey? You don't happen to work for IRA [1]? [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Research_Agency https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Research_Agency
- youpassbutter 8y agoConsidering I am saying russia is evil, I don't think I am. Russia attacking ukraine was wrong. Us attacking syria is wrong. Now, can you tell me what organization you work for?
- dang 8y agoThat's not allowed here, even in an off-topic political flamewar. Please read https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html.
- steve19 8y agoHi dang. I unreservedly apologize. Can you please tell me which rule I broke. Maybe it was interpreted as being sarcasm but I meant it in ernest, but I accept brining it to your attention your have been a better course of action.
- dang 8y agoOh, I mean the rule against insinuating that other users are astroturfers or shills: "Please don't impute astroturfing or shillage. That degrades discussion and is usually mistaken. If you're worried about it, email us and we'll look at the data." It's not that such things don't exist, but they're much less common than people jumping to the conclusion that someone they disagree with isn't posting in good faith. I've written tons about this if you or anyone wants to read more: https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comment&storyText=false&prefix=false&page=0&query=by:dang%20astroturfing https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comme...
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- jumelles 8y agoWhere's the rule of law for the Syrian civilians who were subjected to a horrific chemical attack? It happened, and Assad did it, whether or not you believe it.
- gandhium 8y ago> Imagine if china, russia or any other nation acted like this. Russia invaded and bombed Ukraine. Still meddling there, btw.