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It’s not that slippery slopes don’t exist, but when the only argument against something is the supposed harm that it may lead to via a slippery slope, it’s susp

It’s not that slippery slopes don’t exist, but when the only argument against something is the supposed harm that it may lead to via a slippery slope, it’s suspicious and unconvincing. This thread is full of people saying that this is a step on the road to tyranny, and may end there, that’s true, but the arguments don’t seem to really support the claims. If this really matters to you, and you care about doing more than signaling to others of your ideological persuasion, you need to offer more and better. Slippery slope is too often the lazy fallacy, and not a real case against something. How does this law as written and likely enforced do all of the bad things claimed here?

balfirevic 9y ago
This is not a slippery slope argument. Situation where the only thing protecting you from unreasonable law is selective enforcement is already bad, no further sliding down the slope needed.
- dbasedweeb 9y ago
  Selective enforcement if you’re in the EU, otherwise who is enforcing it? For the billions of us not in the EU, these arguments are weak as hell.
  - paxys 9y ago
    It is enforced no matter where in the world you are, as long as your site is accessible to EU citizens. And you will be surprised by how much jurisdiction European courts can have. A monetary judgement can be collected from any American company via UFMJRA, for example (http://www.uniformlaws.org/ActSummary.aspx?title=Foreign%20Money%20Judgments%20Recognition%20Act http://www.uniformlaws.org/ActSummary.aspx?title=Foreign%20M...).
    - dbasedweeb 9y ago
      We’re not talking about a company, we’re talking about a fetish forum without a scrap of money changing hands. Who is enforcing GDPR there exactly? EU paratroopers? Not to mention that most people don’t live in the EU or America, so again, who’s enforcing this on our hypothetical non-business? It’s really hardcore levels of bullshit being employed in this thread to make a big scary mountain out of a molehill.
      - TomMarius 9y ago
        The EU could legally jail you the moment you step into its territory, and that includes flights that go through Europe, even without landing.
        dbasedweeb 9y ago
        That doesn’t sound even remotely correct given the nature of the “offense” in this case, for which the remedy is a fine. Can you cite this “jail the moment you step into its territory” thing?
        TomMarius 9y ago
        Jail is a place where you're put if there is a chance that you might try to run away from a trial and its resolution. I was in jail - and I did nothing, the case was immediately dropped. Additionally, while the remedy for this crime is a fine, the remedy for not paying the fine is prison.

balfirevic 9y ago

This is not a slippery slope argument. Situation where the only thing protecting you from unreasonable law is selective enforcement is already bad, no further sliding down the slope needed.

dbasedweeb 9y ago
Selective enforcement if you’re in the EU, otherwise who is enforcing it? For the billions of us not in the EU, these arguments are weak as hell.
- paxys 9y ago
  It is enforced no matter where in the world you are, as long as your site is accessible to EU citizens. And you will be surprised by how much jurisdiction European courts can have. A monetary judgement can be collected from any American company via UFMJRA, for example (http://www.uniformlaws.org/ActSummary.aspx?title=Foreign%20Money%20Judgments%20Recognition%20Act http://www.uniformlaws.org/ActSummary.aspx?title=Foreign%20M...).
  - dbasedweeb 9y ago
    We’re not talking about a company, we’re talking about a fetish forum without a scrap of money changing hands. Who is enforcing GDPR there exactly? EU paratroopers? Not to mention that most people don’t live in the EU or America, so again, who’s enforcing this on our hypothetical non-business? It’s really hardcore levels of bullshit being employed in this thread to make a big scary mountain out of a molehill.
    - TomMarius 9y ago
      The EU could legally jail you the moment you step into its territory, and that includes flights that go through Europe, even without landing.
      - dbasedweeb 9y ago
        That doesn’t sound even remotely correct given the nature of the “offense” in this case, for which the remedy is a fine. Can you cite this “jail the moment you step into its territory” thing?
        TomMarius 9y ago
        Jail is a place where you're put if there is a chance that you might try to run away from a trial and its resolution. I was in jail - and I did nothing, the case was immediately dropped. Additionally, while the remedy for this crime is a fine, the remedy for not paying the fine is prison.