5 ms·

At this point, you are just complaining that iOS is not open source.

by azag0 9y ago

hungerstrike 9y ago
Those are pretty basic functions that Apple just locks you into. iOS would not have to be open source for those things to change… At all.
- azag0 9y ago
  That wasn't my point. My point was that all those requests are feature requests, as opposed to lifting some artificial restrictions. Because iOS is not open source, they would need to be coded by Apple, so it's a perfectly valid business decision on their sise not to invest in them.
  - muddi900 9y ago
    Macos is not open source. You can use Firefox as your default browser.
lovich 9y ago
I don't know. Those all seem like valid complaints to me. The os is separate from the applications and everything he listed has its own industry. Microsoft was reamed over installing IE as the default browser on their OS, so how is not letting you change safari as the default on iOS any different?
- dpkonofa 9y ago
  Microsoft had a monopoly. Apple doesn't. If you don't like it, go buy an Android phone.
  - StavrosK 9y ago
    I mean, that's exactly what many of us are doing.
    - dpkonofa 9y ago
      I know. That's my point. People are complaining about decisions made by the company as if they're civil rights violations. "I can't change the default SMS app on my phone!" This has always been the case with the iPhone since the beginning. Until Apple says that this is now a new part of the OS, pretending like that was some kind of bait and switch or deceptive business practice is completely silly.
      - hungerstrike 9y ago
        > People are complaining about decisions made by the company as if they're civil rights violations. No they aren't - not here at least. Scanning this thread, it looks like they're just complaining. > pretending like that was some kind of bait and switch or deceptive business practice is completely silly. Who did that? Can you point out a specific comment? I certainly didn't and I don't see any other comments that did. I simply pointed out how Apple makes their product difficult to use by being so stingy with the level of access that they allow me to have. Anyway, there is an anti-trust lawsuit against Apple right now. Since their iPhone does have somewhere around 50% marketshare in the USA I think there's a chance for it to succeed and I hope it does.
        dpkonofa 9y ago
        >Anyway, there is an anti-trust lawsuit against Apple right now. And what are the damages claimed against them? Even if they have 50% marketshare, they still have competition with a larger marketshare both domestic and worldwide. There's nothing that can be brought against them because they're not doing anything illegal or immoral.
        hungerstrike 8y ago
        You can read about it for yourself - https://www.reuters.com/article/us-apple-court/u-s-appeals-court-revives-antitrust-lawsuit-against-apple-idUSKBN14W2VH https://www.reuters.com/article/us-apple-court/u-s-appeals-c...
  - lovich 9y ago
    Coulda said the same thing with Microsoft, go buy a Mac. Monoply power isn't a binary stat, it's a sliding scale and eventually these companies get enough power to start affecting other industries
    - eesmith 9y ago
      A court judgment that a company has abused its monopoly power is a binary stat.
      - hungerstrike 9y ago
        Yes, and Apple might have one of those binary stats coming their way soon. Let's hope, right? https://www.reuters.com/article/us-apple-court/u-s-appeals-court-revives-antitrust-lawsuit-against-apple-idUSKBN14W2VH https://www.reuters.com/article/us-apple-court/u-s-appeals-c...

At this point, you are just complaining that iOS is not open source.

by azag0 9y ago

At this point, you are just complaining that iOS is not open source.

Those are pretty basic functions that Apple just locks you into. iOS would not have to be open source for those things to change… At all.

azag0 9y ago
That wasn't my point. My point was that all those requests are feature requests, as opposed to lifting some artificial restrictions. Because iOS is not open source, they would need to be coded by Apple, so it's a perfectly valid business decision on their sise not to invest in them.
- muddi900 9y ago
  Macos is not open source. You can use Firefox as your default browser.

lovich 9y ago

I don't know. Those all seem like valid complaints to me. The os is separate from the applications and everything he listed has its own industry. Microsoft was reamed over installing IE as the default browser on their OS, so how is not letting you change safari as the default on iOS any different?

dpkonofa 9y ago
Microsoft had a monopoly. Apple doesn't. If you don't like it, go buy an Android phone.
- StavrosK 9y ago
  I mean, that's exactly what many of us are doing.
  - dpkonofa 9y ago
    I know. That's my point. People are complaining about decisions made by the company as if they're civil rights violations. "I can't change the default SMS app on my phone!" This has always been the case with the iPhone since the beginning. Until Apple says that this is now a new part of the OS, pretending like that was some kind of bait and switch or deceptive business practice is completely silly.
    - hungerstrike 9y ago
      > People are complaining about decisions made by the company as if they're civil rights violations. No they aren't - not here at least. Scanning this thread, it looks like they're just complaining. > pretending like that was some kind of bait and switch or deceptive business practice is completely silly. Who did that? Can you point out a specific comment? I certainly didn't and I don't see any other comments that did. I simply pointed out how Apple makes their product difficult to use by being so stingy with the level of access that they allow me to have. Anyway, there is an anti-trust lawsuit against Apple right now. Since their iPhone does have somewhere around 50% marketshare in the USA I think there's a chance for it to succeed and I hope it does.
      - dpkonofa 9y ago
        >Anyway, there is an anti-trust lawsuit against Apple right now. And what are the damages claimed against them? Even if they have 50% marketshare, they still have competition with a larger marketshare both domestic and worldwide. There's nothing that can be brought against them because they're not doing anything illegal or immoral.
        hungerstrike 8y ago
        You can read about it for yourself - https://www.reuters.com/article/us-apple-court/u-s-appeals-court-revives-antitrust-lawsuit-against-apple-idUSKBN14W2VH https://www.reuters.com/article/us-apple-court/u-s-appeals-c...
- lovich 9y ago
  Coulda said the same thing with Microsoft, go buy a Mac. Monoply power isn't a binary stat, it's a sliding scale and eventually these companies get enough power to start affecting other industries
  - eesmith 9y ago
    A court judgment that a company has abused its monopoly power is a binary stat.
    - hungerstrike 9y ago
      Yes, and Apple might have one of those binary stats coming their way soon. Let's hope, right? https://www.reuters.com/article/us-apple-court/u-s-appeals-court-revives-antitrust-lawsuit-against-apple-idUSKBN14W2VH https://www.reuters.com/article/us-apple-court/u-s-appeals-c...