5 ms·

Wouldn't car parts be a much more accurate analogy, though? Apple isn't suing anyone for not using Apple-branded electricity to power their phone.

adrianN 8y ago
Don't give them ideas.
- beenBoutIT 8y ago
  I don't understand why the geniuses at Apple haven't seen the obvious flaws in our American/European/Asian/etc wall plugs and sockets and created Apple branded proprietary wall plugs and sockets that are totally incompatible with all current American/European/Asian/etc. plugs and sockets. Apple products would all use the proprietary plugs, while 'obsolete' devices with standard plugs would require a $40-100 Apple adapter. The Apple home isn't truly going to be an Apple Home until you can't plug a non-Apple device into a wall socket without forking over money to Apple for an unnecessary adapter.
  - Scooty 8y ago
    It's easier to just change the plug on the other end of the power cables every release.
    - stouset 8y ago
      This criticism rings extremely hollow. The 30-pin connector lasted from the third-gen iPod (2003) through the iPhone 5 (2012), or around nine years. Lightning has remained the connector of choice since then for the past six years. MagSafe debuted in 2006, was improved to MagSafe 2 in 2012, and is being phased out for USB-C (which is terrible, but I digress) in 2018. One change in fifteen years for their handheld product lineup and two changes in twelve years for their laptop lineup seems pretty reasonable.
  - wichert 8y ago
    Asian outlets are amazingly versatile: they happily take both European and US plugs. It's a real pleasure not having to bring converter plugs with you. I am still wondering why airports all over the world have not adopted them.
    - danielbarla 8y ago
      That sounds great. Though, how is the voltage difference handled?
      - _s 8y ago
        Most power adapters for electronic devices will take any AC input from 100-240v and transform accordingly to the device (which cares more about DC), but definitely check before plugging it in. The Americas and Japan are 100-127v, and the rest of the world is 220-240v with a few discrepancies here and there. They also range from 50hz-60hz AC, so some devices that rely on the frequency for time may slow or speed up depending on what region they were made and where they are used.
alasdair_ 8y ago
>Wouldn't car parts be a much more accurate analogy, though? Yes. The FCC actually sent out reminders to phone companies two days ago reminding them that use of aftermarket parts cannot void a warranty. This also applies to things like "warranty void if seal removed" stickers etc. https://www.androidpolice.com/2018/04/10/ftc-reminds-phone-makers-cant-void-warranties-repairs-made-using-unauthorized-parts/ https://www.androidpolice.com/2018/04/10/ftc-reminds-phone-m...
- slavik81 8y ago
  It doesn't change your point, but that was the FTC, not the FCC.
  - LeifCarrotson 8y ago
    It does a little bit. The FCC has teeth when it comes to maintaining their regulations. There's little else you can do to bring suits to your door faster than to operate an unlicensed transmitter. The FTC is not so potent, as indicated by the behavior of all these cell phone manufacturers for the past decade.
lisper 8y ago
No, but they are making it very difficult for anyone to use, for example, non-Apple-branded cloud storage. And they are making it nearly impossible for anyone to use non-Apple-approved apps.
- beenBoutIT 8y ago
  Isn't it nearly impossible to so much as download a file from the Internet on an Apple device, or have they changed that?
  - saagarjha 8y ago
    No, you can totally do this even on iOS.
    - scottmf 8y ago
      Ah but isn’t it true that iPhones have no right click?
      - saagarjha 8y ago
        Uh, yes. Why is this relevant, though?
  - deleted 8y ago
    [deleted]
- acomjean 8y ago
  Heck even apple approved charging cables sometimes give me the "this accessory might not work correctly on this device". Gives me pause, but it goes away once I retry...
- saagarjha 8y ago
  > they are making it very difficult for anyone to use, for example, non-Apple-branded cloud storage Which is why they added support for arbitrary file providers to integrate with iOS 11's Files app, and why they announced that iWork will support collaborating through Box last month?
Taniwha 8y ago
I was actually thinking that plain old bolts, also available at the hardware store, imagine if Ford could ban all 8mm bolt import and sales just because they had one in one of their cars
deleted 8y ago
[deleted]

adrianN 8y ago

Don't give them ideas.

beenBoutIT 8y ago
I don't understand why the geniuses at Apple haven't seen the obvious flaws in our American/European/Asian/etc wall plugs and sockets and created Apple branded proprietary wall plugs and sockets that are totally incompatible with all current American/European/Asian/etc. plugs and sockets. Apple products would all use the proprietary plugs, while 'obsolete' devices with standard plugs would require a $40-100 Apple adapter. The Apple home isn't truly going to be an Apple Home until you can't plug a non-Apple device into a wall socket without forking over money to Apple for an unnecessary adapter.
- Scooty 8y ago
  It's easier to just change the plug on the other end of the power cables every release.
  - stouset 8y ago
    This criticism rings extremely hollow. The 30-pin connector lasted from the third-gen iPod (2003) through the iPhone 5 (2012), or around nine years. Lightning has remained the connector of choice since then for the past six years. MagSafe debuted in 2006, was improved to MagSafe 2 in 2012, and is being phased out for USB-C (which is terrible, but I digress) in 2018. One change in fifteen years for their handheld product lineup and two changes in twelve years for their laptop lineup seems pretty reasonable.
- wichert 8y ago
  Asian outlets are amazingly versatile: they happily take both European and US plugs. It's a real pleasure not having to bring converter plugs with you. I am still wondering why airports all over the world have not adopted them.
  - danielbarla 8y ago
    That sounds great. Though, how is the voltage difference handled?
    - _s 8y ago
      Most power adapters for electronic devices will take any AC input from 100-240v and transform accordingly to the device (which cares more about DC), but definitely check before plugging it in. The Americas and Japan are 100-127v, and the rest of the world is 220-240v with a few discrepancies here and there. They also range from 50hz-60hz AC, so some devices that rely on the frequency for time may slow or speed up depending on what region they were made and where they are used.

alasdair_ 8y ago

>Wouldn't car parts be a much more accurate analogy, though? Yes. The FCC actually sent out reminders to phone companies two days ago reminding them that use of aftermarket parts cannot void a warranty. This also applies to things like "warranty void if seal removed" stickers etc. https://www.androidpolice.com/2018/04/10/ftc-reminds-phone-makers-cant-void-warranties-repairs-made-using-unauthorized-parts/ https://www.androidpolice.com/2018/04/10/ftc-reminds-phone-m...

slavik81 8y ago
It doesn't change your point, but that was the FTC, not the FCC.
- LeifCarrotson 8y ago
  It does a little bit. The FCC has teeth when it comes to maintaining their regulations. There's little else you can do to bring suits to your door faster than to operate an unlicensed transmitter. The FTC is not so potent, as indicated by the behavior of all these cell phone manufacturers for the past decade.

lisper 8y ago

No, but they are making it very difficult for anyone to use, for example, non-Apple-branded cloud storage. And they are making it nearly impossible for anyone to use non-Apple-approved apps.

beenBoutIT 8y ago
Isn't it nearly impossible to so much as download a file from the Internet on an Apple device, or have they changed that?
- saagarjha 8y ago
  No, you can totally do this even on iOS.
  - scottmf 8y ago
    Ah but isn’t it true that iPhones have no right click?
    - saagarjha 8y ago
      Uh, yes. Why is this relevant, though?
- deleted 8y ago
  [deleted]
acomjean 8y ago
Heck even apple approved charging cables sometimes give me the "this accessory might not work correctly on this device". Gives me pause, but it goes away once I retry...
saagarjha 8y ago
> they are making it very difficult for anyone to use, for example, non-Apple-branded cloud storage Which is why they added support for arbitrary file providers to integrate with iOS 11's Files app, and why they announced that iWork will support collaborating through Box last month?

Taniwha 8y ago

I was actually thinking that plain old bolts, also available at the hardware store, imagine if Ford could ban all 8mm bolt import and sales just because they had one in one of their cars

deleted 8y ago

[deleted]