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No one is getting murder or rape convictions removed from the record. This is considerably smaller scale stuff, and the story itself mentions that two men joint

No one is getting murder or rape convictions removed from the record. This is considerably smaller scale stuff, and the story itself mentions that two men jointly fought to have news of their conviction removed, one who got 6 months in jail, and one who got 4 years, both non violent white collar type offenses, and only the guy who got 6 months actually won. The second guy lost.

TomMarius 8y ago
Yes, treatment should be always the same - the records stay. Two things though - many thigs that are considered a crime shouldn't be a crime, and second, if the crime is minor or irrelevant, the record won't hurt the person, otherwise it's a proof that it's not as irrelevant as you think. For example in my country, you will get even parking offenses (repeated, but still) written in your record. It hurts nobody because nobody cares.
- ygaf 8y ago
  Agreed that any special divergence between types of crimes is wrong. But I can get behind the use of judge discretion.
- darpa_escapee 8y ago
  > if the crime is minor or irrelevant, the record won't hurt the person, otherwise it's a proof that it's not as irrelevant as you think Let me tell you a little thing called marijuana possession charges and how they make students ineligible for student aid and government loans/grants. Even getting charged with possession of a single joint is enough to bar a student from receiving aid or loans. Such charges or convictions are the reason employers turn people away all of the time.
  - TomMarius 8y ago
    Yes, that's why I said that many things shouldn't be a crime.
RcouF1uZ4gsC 8y ago
>No one is getting murder or rape convictions removed from the record. Story about German murderers suing to get their names removed from a Wikipedia article about the victim. https://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/13/us/13wiki.html?_r=0 https://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/13/us/13wiki.html?_r=0
- tallanvor 8y ago
  But German courts ended up ruling against them.
  - jacquesm 8y ago
    It's almost as if judges aren't stupid.
- theoctopus 8y ago
  Not a particularly good example considering the names are still on both the German and English language articles.

TomMarius 8y ago

Yes, treatment should be always the same - the records stay. Two things though - many thigs that are considered a crime shouldn't be a crime, and second, if the crime is minor or irrelevant, the record won't hurt the person, otherwise it's a proof that it's not as irrelevant as you think. For example in my country, you will get even parking offenses (repeated, but still) written in your record. It hurts nobody because nobody cares.

ygaf 8y ago
Agreed that any special divergence between types of crimes is wrong. But I can get behind the use of judge discretion.
darpa_escapee 8y ago
> if the crime is minor or irrelevant, the record won't hurt the person, otherwise it's a proof that it's not as irrelevant as you think Let me tell you a little thing called marijuana possession charges and how they make students ineligible for student aid and government loans/grants. Even getting charged with possession of a single joint is enough to bar a student from receiving aid or loans. Such charges or convictions are the reason employers turn people away all of the time.
- TomMarius 8y ago
  Yes, that's why I said that many things shouldn't be a crime.

RcouF1uZ4gsC 8y ago

>No one is getting murder or rape convictions removed from the record. Story about German murderers suing to get their names removed from a Wikipedia article about the victim. https://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/13/us/13wiki.html?_r=0 https://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/13/us/13wiki.html?_r=0

tallanvor 8y ago
But German courts ended up ruling against them.
- jacquesm 8y ago
  It's almost as if judges aren't stupid.
theoctopus 8y ago
Not a particularly good example considering the names are still on both the German and English language articles.