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You’re an idealist, the world doesn’t work this way. Mark paid his debt to society by time served. And if you want to not hire ex convicts, you simply ask for

You’re an idealist, the world doesn’t work this way. Mark paid his debt to society by time served. And if you want to not hire ex convicts, you simply ask for his criminal record. Is that not a possibility in the US? Anyhow, Google giving you tabloids or other crap simply cannot be a reliable criminal record. And note we’re talking of somebody that’s actually proven guilty in a court of law. What about people being the target of scandals that aren’t guilty of anything?

fixermark 9y ago
Recently, some states have passed laws barring criminal record requesting for employment purposes.
- nsp 9y ago
  If you’re referring to the “ban the box” campaigns in Sf/nyc et al, I believe those just prohibit asking on the application (so the candidate has a chance to win you over), not checking for a criminal record entirely.
alistairSH 9y ago
And if you want to not hire ex convicts, you simply ask for his criminal record. Is that not a possibility in the US? Yes, it's possible to get criminal records in the US. Almost all major employers do so. But is it right? I have mixed feelings. If the crime might reasonably impact the job, sure. White collar criminal probably shouldn't ever be CFO or CPA or whatever. But, if somebody got in a bar fight in college, is that grounds to never hire them? By policy, many companies will not hire somebody with ANY criminal record, no matter how serious or how old.
stale2002 9y ago
Sure, you can find out that information about him, eventually. But you might not find out the information IMMEDIATELY. After the background check is completed, he may have already gone through your full interview loop, and impressed everyone, and you may just decide that you want to hire him anyway. In a different world, you would have rejected him outright, without giving him a chance to prove himself. I think this matters a lot.

fixermark 9y ago

Recently, some states have passed laws barring criminal record requesting for employment purposes.

nsp 9y ago
If you’re referring to the “ban the box” campaigns in Sf/nyc et al, I believe those just prohibit asking on the application (so the candidate has a chance to win you over), not checking for a criminal record entirely.

alistairSH 9y ago

And if you want to not hire ex convicts, you simply ask for his criminal record. Is that not a possibility in the US? Yes, it's possible to get criminal records in the US. Almost all major employers do so. But is it right? I have mixed feelings. If the crime might reasonably impact the job, sure. White collar criminal probably shouldn't ever be CFO or CPA or whatever. But, if somebody got in a bar fight in college, is that grounds to never hire them? By policy, many companies will not hire somebody with ANY criminal record, no matter how serious or how old.

stale2002 9y ago

Sure, you can find out that information about him, eventually. But you might not find out the information IMMEDIATELY. After the background check is completed, he may have already gone through your full interview loop, and impressed everyone, and you may just decide that you want to hire him anyway. In a different world, you would have rejected him outright, without giving him a chance to prove himself. I think this matters a lot.